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I would probably get a Thinkpad T460s before this laptop, especially since the new T460s is even thinner than it used to be (closer to the X1 carbon). What do p

I would probably get a Thinkpad T460s before this laptop, especially since the new T460s is even thinner than it used to be (closer to the X1 carbon). What do people find so attractive about this laptop? I'm thinking about getting one this upcoming year and neither the XPS' touchpad nor the keyboard seem very good.

rogerbinns 11y ago
I love Thinkpads, but the thing that really annoys me is just how much Lenovo charge for upgrades. I end up having to buy with the smallest memory and storage they have, and then separately upgrading them. The Lenovo prices are often up to ten times the market rate for the same items.
- basch 11y ago
  I view upgradability as a plus, i can buy the lowest end and do it myself.
  - rogerbinns 11y ago
    Yes, being able to upgrade is great. But I do get annoyed at how much they charge. For example getting an additional 16GB of memory for the T450s is $309 at Lenovo (on big sale from the usual $430), while the same from Crucial is $180. A 512GB SATA SSD for that model is $430 (on sale from $580) while a comparable model from Crucial is $180, or a Samsung 850 Pro for $220 on Amazon. As a consequence I have a collection of unused 500GB laptop hard drives since you have to order with some storage and that is the cheapest Lenovo do. I immediately replace them, but this is wasteful and silly. If their prices were far closer to normal then I'd just get Lenovo to do it, and they'd make more money. Instead they see me getting the lowest specs, instead of what I actually use.
    - basch 11y ago
      i guess i would never even consider buying from the oem unless it is soldered on. crucial is overcharging too. 16gb ram kits are $75 i also have a large box of 500gb drives
      - rogerbinns 11y ago
        It only has one ram slot (the other has 4GB soldered in) so you can't use a kit - you need a single 16GB sodimm. Retail prices are around $150 everywhere. If Lenovo charged an amount substantially similar (or better) than regular retail, then I'd gladly pay them for the upgrades. But at multiples of the retail price it makes no sense.
  - kale 11y ago
    It's true. The T530 has a socketed CPU. I upgraded mine with the highest performance i7 that was 35W (same as the one I removed) for very little money (net, after I sell the i5).
- farresito 11y ago
  Yes, I agree. I also buy the memory, SSD, and other stuff myself. They try to make money off the people that don't want to bother with it.
m52go 11y ago
Screen: very thin bezels, very good colors, 3840x2160 resolution. With touch available (or matte non-touch). Storage: all SSDs are PCI-e. Graphics: 2GB GT 750M. Can't imagine needing anything more unless you do intensive gaming or visual work. Excellent build quality. Haven't seen a single knock on it. Very thin and light. Getting all this at ~$2000. None of these points are exclusive to this laptop, but I don't know of any other machine that offers everything in one package for a reasonable price. ThinkPad P50 comes close, but doesn't offer the same screen resolution (with touch), and it's more expensive. I only know this because I'm in the market. If anyone has any advice, I'd love to know more.
- farresito 11y ago
  Thank you for the answer. Very much appreciated. What do you think about the keyboard? It doesn't seem to have much key travel. It's always been my main concern about this laptop. The keyboard is probably the thing I put the most importance on. I just can't find laptops with good keyboards. It seems like the Dell Latitude has a good keyboard; I was considering it, but the price is similar to (or even higher than) a Thinkpad.
Igglyboo 11y ago
I own a macbook pro and I'm extremely envious of that bezel.
- Bud 11y ago
  Not really. Did you notice the enormous 1-inch black strip of bezel at the bottom with the giant DELL logo? That's also where the camera is. The bezel looks sexy on top, but overall, it's just more crappy design decisions from Dell.

rogerbinns 11y ago

I love Thinkpads, but the thing that really annoys me is just how much Lenovo charge for upgrades. I end up having to buy with the smallest memory and storage they have, and then separately upgrading them. The Lenovo prices are often up to ten times the market rate for the same items.

basch 11y ago
I view upgradability as a plus, i can buy the lowest end and do it myself.
- rogerbinns 11y ago
  Yes, being able to upgrade is great. But I do get annoyed at how much they charge. For example getting an additional 16GB of memory for the T450s is $309 at Lenovo (on big sale from the usual $430), while the same from Crucial is $180. A 512GB SATA SSD for that model is $430 (on sale from $580) while a comparable model from Crucial is $180, or a Samsung 850 Pro for $220 on Amazon. As a consequence I have a collection of unused 500GB laptop hard drives since you have to order with some storage and that is the cheapest Lenovo do. I immediately replace them, but this is wasteful and silly. If their prices were far closer to normal then I'd just get Lenovo to do it, and they'd make more money. Instead they see me getting the lowest specs, instead of what I actually use.
  - basch 11y ago
    i guess i would never even consider buying from the oem unless it is soldered on. crucial is overcharging too. 16gb ram kits are $75 i also have a large box of 500gb drives
    - rogerbinns 11y ago
      It only has one ram slot (the other has 4GB soldered in) so you can't use a kit - you need a single 16GB sodimm. Retail prices are around $150 everywhere. If Lenovo charged an amount substantially similar (or better) than regular retail, then I'd gladly pay them for the upgrades. But at multiples of the retail price it makes no sense.
- kale 11y ago
  It's true. The T530 has a socketed CPU. I upgraded mine with the highest performance i7 that was 35W (same as the one I removed) for very little money (net, after I sell the i5).
farresito 11y ago
Yes, I agree. I also buy the memory, SSD, and other stuff myself. They try to make money off the people that don't want to bother with it.

m52go 11y ago

Screen: very thin bezels, very good colors, 3840x2160 resolution. With touch available (or matte non-touch). Storage: all SSDs are PCI-e. Graphics: 2GB GT 750M. Can't imagine needing anything more unless you do intensive gaming or visual work. Excellent build quality. Haven't seen a single knock on it. Very thin and light. Getting all this at ~$2000. None of these points are exclusive to this laptop, but I don't know of any other machine that offers everything in one package for a reasonable price. ThinkPad P50 comes close, but doesn't offer the same screen resolution (with touch), and it's more expensive. I only know this because I'm in the market. If anyone has any advice, I'd love to know more.

farresito 11y ago
Thank you for the answer. Very much appreciated. What do you think about the keyboard? It doesn't seem to have much key travel. It's always been my main concern about this laptop. The keyboard is probably the thing I put the most importance on. I just can't find laptops with good keyboards. It seems like the Dell Latitude has a good keyboard; I was considering it, but the price is similar to (or even higher than) a Thinkpad.

Igglyboo 11y ago

I own a macbook pro and I'm extremely envious of that bezel.

Bud 11y ago
Not really. Did you notice the enormous 1-inch black strip of bezel at the bottom with the giant DELL logo? That's also where the camera is. The bezel looks sexy on top, but overall, it's just more crappy design decisions from Dell.