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People still use *AMP stacks? Edit: I was serious about that; I was under the impression that most stacks use much lighter weight http daemons than Apache thes

by exelius 11y ago

People still use *AMP stacks? Edit: I was serious about that; I was under the impression that most stacks use much lighter weight http daemons than Apache these days. I understand that legacy apps are still out there and not everyone is going to refactor, but anyone developing web applications under Apache in 2016 is just a glutton for punishment...

mrweasel 11y ago
I know a hosting company that exclusively deploy Apache, because that's what they know how to configure. Everything that works under nginx, will still work under Apache. If they need more performance, they put Apache behind a Riverbed Stringray/SteelApp/Brocade Trafic Manager (or whatever it's call these days). I think people are being to hard on Apache, it's still a great webserver for a ton of applications. That being said I prefer to configure Nginx over Apache.
- tempestn 11y ago
  Also, if Apache is configured well, using the Event MPM (or even the older Worker) and sane thread counts for the server it's running on, it's a lot faster than it used to be. I can't say how fast compared to Nginx because literally every comparison between the two I've seen has hamstrung Apache by using the ancient Prefork MPM (and I haven't done a rigorous comparison myself), but I expect it's at least on the same order of magnitude.
  - rhizome 11y ago
    They're both plenty fast for most sites.
mindcrime 11y ago
People still use _AMP stacks? Change this to "People still use X?" where the value of X is pretty much any technology you've ever heard of, dating back to the 1970's (if not before). And the answer will, to a first approximation, always be "yes". Now the number of people using X might be small, but you can all but bet your life that somebody, somewhere is, indeed, still using it. And depending on what it is, you might be surprised as how large the number actually is. Keep in mind, HN and Reddit, etc., comprise something of an echo chamber, where people of a certain mindset and orientation flock. The world is MUCH larger. No, RPG on iSeries /AS400 machines isn't "cool" and you won't see it mentioned on HN much (if at all) but this stuff is still used all over the place. LAMP stacks? Yeah, still widely used. OS/2? Not exactly "widely" used, but still used. COBOL? Yep. Fortran? Yep. MVS? Yep. And so on. Now, granted, this stuff isn't used by "hip startups" or "unicorns", but the world is a lot bigger than the SV startup scene. Technologies die VERY slowly for whatever reason, at least in regards to the "long tail" (so to speak) of the usage curve.
- NeutronBoy 11y ago
  > Now, granted, this stuff isn't used by "hip startups" or "unicorns", but the world is a lot bigger than the SV startup scene. Most of it is used by business that literally manage your life. Banks, electrical and water, manufacturing plants, telephone exchanges, everything.
jamespo 11y ago
It seems you're another person who hasn't used Apache since 1.3

by exelius 11y ago

mrweasel 11y ago

I know a hosting company that exclusively deploy Apache, because that's what they know how to configure. Everything that works under nginx, will still work under Apache. If they need more performance, they put Apache behind a Riverbed Stringray/SteelApp/Brocade Trafic Manager (or whatever it's call these days). I think people are being to hard on Apache, it's still a great webserver for a ton of applications. That being said I prefer to configure Nginx over Apache.

tempestn 11y ago
Also, if Apache is configured well, using the Event MPM (or even the older Worker) and sane thread counts for the server it's running on, it's a lot faster than it used to be. I can't say how fast compared to Nginx because literally every comparison between the two I've seen has hamstrung Apache by using the ancient Prefork MPM (and I haven't done a rigorous comparison myself), but I expect it's at least on the same order of magnitude.
- rhizome 11y ago
  They're both plenty fast for most sites.

mindcrime 11y ago

People still use _AMP stacks? Change this to "People still use X?" where the value of X is pretty much any technology you've ever heard of, dating back to the 1970's (if not before). And the answer will, to a first approximation, always be "yes". Now the number of people using X might be small, but you can all but bet your life that somebody, somewhere is, indeed, still using it. And depending on what it is, you might be surprised as how large the number actually is. Keep in mind, HN and Reddit, etc., comprise something of an echo chamber, where people of a certain mindset and orientation flock. The world is MUCH larger. No, RPG on iSeries /AS400 machines isn't "cool" and you won't see it mentioned on HN much (if at all) but this stuff is still used all over the place. LAMP stacks? Yeah, still widely used. OS/2? Not exactly "widely" used, but still used. COBOL? Yep. Fortran? Yep. MVS? Yep. And so on. Now, granted, this stuff isn't used by "hip startups" or "unicorns", but the world is a lot bigger than the SV startup scene. Technologies die VERY slowly for whatever reason, at least in regards to the "long tail" (so to speak) of the usage curve.

NeutronBoy 11y ago
> Now, granted, this stuff isn't used by "hip startups" or "unicorns", but the world is a lot bigger than the SV startup scene. Most of it is used by business that literally manage your life. Banks, electrical and water, manufacturing plants, telephone exchanges, everything.

jamespo 11y ago

It seems you're another person who hasn't used Apache since 1.3