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Vice runs vacuous clickbait sometimes, but they've gotten a LOT better in the last few years and they also do some excellent journalism now. In particular, the

by dcposch 11y ago

Vice runs vacuous clickbait sometimes, but they've gotten a LOT better in the last few years and they also do some excellent journalism now. In particular, their feature-length documentaries are consistently amazing, as is Vice on HBO. Shane Smith and Thomas Morton both have balls of titanium. They go places ordinary journalists would never go, figuratively and literally. Give them a second chance.

sedachv 11y ago
> Give them a second chance. That is exactly what compulsive liars/sociopaths like Shane Smith want: http://dailycaller.com/2013/07/03/vice-founder-famous-for-truth-telling-has-history-of-lies/ http://dailycaller.com/2013/07/03/vice-founder-famous-for-tr... The documentaries and reporting produced by Vice are entertaining, but their standards of reporting basically make them a hipster tabloid.
- dtornabene 11y ago
  A Couple of things.... 1) The Daily Caller isn't exactly a noted truth teller itself 2) The author of that particular piece, Charles Johnson, is well known for being utterly without scruples whatsoever. He's also one of the purveyors of the extremely offensive "cuckservative" meme that popped up recently (hint: its white supremacist) which leads to #3... 3) Gavin Mcinnes, one of the founders, left Vice under not particularly friendly circumstances and has since come out as a white nationalist and he and Chuck Johnson are pretty tight online. Just some food for thought here. Also, to back up the parent, yes, Vice does run a great deal of clickbait, but they also run things noone else will. I've read younger authors who I discovered on more mainstream sites that have had pieces published at Vice.
  - sedachv 11y ago
    It is not like that is the only report relating to Vice to raise suspicions: https://medium.com/thoughts-on-media/vice-media-kit-warning-for-advertisers-25ad0600f61d#.c539wnnoa https://medium.com/thoughts-on-media/vice-media-kit-warning-... http://gawker.com/working-at-vice-media-is-not-as-cool-as-it-seems-1579711577 http://gawker.com/working-at-vice-media-is-not-as-cool-as-it... > Gavin Mcinnes, one of the founders, left Vice under not particularly friendly circumstances and has since come out as a white nationalist and he and Chuck Johnson are pretty tight online. Just some food for thought here. You can tell a lot about a person from their cofounders. McInnes was at Vice from 1994 to 2007. Vice was built on shock journalism, McInnes never hid his racism and homophobia: http://www.nypress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?avis=NP&date=20021008&category=NEWS&lopenr=310089998&Ref=AR&template=printart http://www.nypress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?avis=NP&date=20...
- tod222 11y ago
  You're smearing someone while citing the notorious author that Politico dubbed a "misinformation monger." Please stop wasting our time.

by dcposch 11y ago

sedachv 11y ago

> Give them a second chance. That is exactly what compulsive liars/sociopaths like Shane Smith want: http://dailycaller.com/2013/07/03/vice-founder-famous-for-truth-telling-has-history-of-lies/ http://dailycaller.com/2013/07/03/vice-founder-famous-for-tr... The documentaries and reporting produced by Vice are entertaining, but their standards of reporting basically make them a hipster tabloid.

dtornabene 11y ago
A Couple of things.... 1) The Daily Caller isn't exactly a noted truth teller itself 2) The author of that particular piece, Charles Johnson, is well known for being utterly without scruples whatsoever. He's also one of the purveyors of the extremely offensive "cuckservative" meme that popped up recently (hint: its white supremacist) which leads to #3... 3) Gavin Mcinnes, one of the founders, left Vice under not particularly friendly circumstances and has since come out as a white nationalist and he and Chuck Johnson are pretty tight online. Just some food for thought here. Also, to back up the parent, yes, Vice does run a great deal of clickbait, but they also run things noone else will. I've read younger authors who I discovered on more mainstream sites that have had pieces published at Vice.
- sedachv 11y ago
  It is not like that is the only report relating to Vice to raise suspicions: https://medium.com/thoughts-on-media/vice-media-kit-warning-for-advertisers-25ad0600f61d#.c539wnnoa https://medium.com/thoughts-on-media/vice-media-kit-warning-... http://gawker.com/working-at-vice-media-is-not-as-cool-as-it-seems-1579711577 http://gawker.com/working-at-vice-media-is-not-as-cool-as-it... > Gavin Mcinnes, one of the founders, left Vice under not particularly friendly circumstances and has since come out as a white nationalist and he and Chuck Johnson are pretty tight online. Just some food for thought here. You can tell a lot about a person from their cofounders. McInnes was at Vice from 1994 to 2007. Vice was built on shock journalism, McInnes never hid his racism and homophobia: http://www.nypress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?avis=NP&date=20021008&category=NEWS&lopenr=310089998&Ref=AR&template=printart http://www.nypress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?avis=NP&date=20...
tod222 11y ago
You're smearing someone while citing the notorious author that Politico dubbed a "misinformation monger." Please stop wasting our time.