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>most people are passive They are not naturally. But society designed by people like you turned them to being passive. Imagine people start education from sta

by 0xFFC 11y ago

>most people are passive They are not naturally. But society designed by people like you turned them to being passive. Imagine people start education from start in society like this university, everyone will be excited, because they are going to do what they like. My problem with people like you is this.you are scaling your small experience to one of the fundamental things in human kind. Maybe passiveness in your language learning group was other where? Maybe because people was forced to be there? Because of raise? Beacsue of earning respect? Or because of something deep in their unconscious part of their mind. But I am 100% sure if they were truly there, they would have been excited. Things are simple.if you compare them with sex.almost every bode (healthy) excited about sex. Education should be like this.free.and whenever whatever you like. Every person is/will be excited if he/she truely become free to do what they love.

tmptmp 11y ago
>>Imagine people start education from start in society like this university, everyone will be excited, because they are going to do what they like. Anybody and their grandmom may be excited to do what they like; it takes education to learn to do something even if you don't necessarily like it. What he/she seems to be saying by "structured-ness" may have to do with this. Nature forces you to hunt for food, else I am happy to just keep on pondering and doing philosophy because I like it.
st3v3r 11y ago
And how do you pay for it? How do you turn that into being able to support yourself and your family?
crpatino 11y ago
What happens when you find out that what most people think they "like" is to hang up with friends, drink beer, play games and have as much sex as you possibly can? What happens when said group of people finds out there's such horrible things as bankrupcy, or debt collection, or evictions? What happens when they figure out that the things everybody expects them to do to pull themselves out of the mess is complex stuff that cannot be learned on the fly, and that requires years of practice before results can be obtained by investing a reasonable amount of effort? It is good and proper to enjoy ourselves in life, but sometimes you need to force yourself to do stuff that either you must do right now in order to avoid extremely unpleasant outcomes, or that you should do in order to position yourself for more good things to come your way in the future.

by 0xFFC 11y ago

tmptmp 11y ago

>>Imagine people start education from start in society like this university, everyone will be excited, because they are going to do what they like. Anybody and their grandmom may be excited to do what they like; it takes education to learn to do something even if you don't necessarily like it. What he/she seems to be saying by "structured-ness" may have to do with this. Nature forces you to hunt for food, else I am happy to just keep on pondering and doing philosophy because I like it.

st3v3r 11y ago

And how do you pay for it? How do you turn that into being able to support yourself and your family?

crpatino 11y ago

What happens when you find out that what most people think they "like" is to hang up with friends, drink beer, play games and have as much sex as you possibly can? What happens when said group of people finds out there's such horrible things as bankrupcy, or debt collection, or evictions? What happens when they figure out that the things everybody expects them to do to pull themselves out of the mess is complex stuff that cannot be learned on the fly, and that requires years of practice before results can be obtained by investing a reasonable amount of effort? It is good and proper to enjoy ourselves in life, but sometimes you need to force yourself to do stuff that either you must do right now in order to avoid extremely unpleasant outcomes, or that you should do in order to position yourself for more good things to come your way in the future.