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But everyone should go to high school. Hell, if you aren't going to college I do hope there is an extended high school. I don't care if its taxpayer sponsored b

But everyone should go to high school. Hell, if you aren't going to college I do hope there is an extended high school. I don't care if its taxpayer sponsored but even high school is not enough to foster a critical thinking process. I picked that up somewhere between high school and end of college. Some people may be faster than me but that skill is really important. Either that, or you don't get to vote. Edit: The last statement was more about the ability to think critically and less about if you finished high school/college.

matt_wulfeck 11y ago
Why do you think the only environment people can learn these skills is sitting at a desk for extended periods of time?
- Pharaoh2 11y ago
  I don't know what you did in your college, but I wasn't sitting at my desk for extended period of time.
  - such_a_casual 11y ago
    Well in most highschools and universities children/people sit for hours at a time behind desks while someone talks. Did you stand for your lectures? Did you not have lectures? Is 6 hours a day not an extended period of time?
    - Pharaoh2 11y ago
      Honestly, 6 hours a day in high school is nothing. For most of us that is the best use of the time that we have in a day when we are in high school. But it does provide the required base that is needed in college for a majority of the population. Are you saying we should stop the whole system for the benefit of the 0.1% (3 sigma)? In college lectures was from a minimum of 3 hours to maximum of 5 hours depending on how many credit you took in the semester. But the actual learning happened outside of those hours and once again lectures were important only to create the base, maybe even only to provide an introduction to the base.
fokov 11y ago
In my opinion, the problem with high school is due to the large amount of wasted time. So many classes had dozens of days if not the large majority of the time spent on nothing or busy work. Busy work is a large part of bureaucratic organizations where most of the cogs will end up, but it shouldn't be the goal. I think many high school courses could be pushed down into earlier education and a great deal of knowledge a university provides could be offered there.
- gtk40 11y ago
  I think some schools are adopting new models, but when I graduated from high school <10 years ago, all but a handful of classes were two semesters long (i.e., autumn and spring would be the same class) and all classes met 5 days a week for approximately an hour, with 7 classes a day. With 180 days of school, with most classes meeting every day of that (save exam time), that is over a thousand hours spent per class.
NovaS1X 11y ago
I didn't finish high school nor did I go to college or university. I'm now a systems engineer. Should I not be able to vote?
- Pharaoh2 11y ago
  Did you develop an ability to think critically? Can you rationalize your position? Congratulations, you can do well on your own and you are not a liability. But you are also in the minority, I envy your the intelligence and will to learn you were born with, but not everyone has that. Most discussion about college not being important is about the fact that we don't use anything we learned in our majors after college, but your major is hardly the important thing to learn in college.
  - NovaS1X 11y ago
    Thanks for the comment. I understand what you we're trying to say, however, the last part about not being able to vote rubbed me the wrong way. I've been through the pain of trying to find a job with no "education" as the system currently is. Making things more difficult doesn't help. Companies don't know how to judge critical thinking, that's why they rely on degrees. It's a cultural problem. I got lucky because someone was willing to take a gamble on me and it worked out for both of us. Not everyone with my "intelligence and will to learn" get so lucky as me no matter how capable they are. Tech seems to be a strange exception to the rule. It's easier to get a job being self educated in tech than anywhere else it seems.
pnut 11y ago
The only constitutional voting test is, are you a citizen of voting age, who is not a felon? I would rather see that test applied as a prerequisite to run for public office.
such_a_casual 11y ago
>Either that, or you don't get to vote. What? Graduating from school (highschool or university) is about learning how to follow directions and play the game. To say that a degree somehow guarantees that a person knows how to think critically is ludicrous. But you're not even making such a modest claim, you're actually claiming that it is the only way to assure people can think critically (even though it's not even a valid way to begin with). Some of us can think critically as children. Do you honestly believe just because you couldn't think critically until you were an adult, that means that hundreds of millions of people that you've never met should be forced into the same fruitless, and arbitrary indoctrination you had to undergo to become adequate in your own eyes? Are you aware of how absolutely stupid school seems to people who are really, really smart? http://www.lambdassociates.org/blog/bipolar.htm http://www.lambdassociates.org/blog/bipolar.htm
- Pharaoh2 11y ago
  I have a place for you that your might really like, https://www.reddit.com/r/topmindsofreddit https://www.reddit.com/r/topmindsofreddit Go there and be happy. The important thing in high school and college wasn't what I learned in the classroom, although some of it does help me in life. The important this was what I learned in that environment with my peers. I don't know how bad your college was, but I did go to a pretty good college in my country. It might not compare to ivy league colleges, but it taught me important life lessons none the less. My opinions are biased by my college experience but it sure goes to show that college can be great and not completely useless and a lot of people like to claim.
  - such_a_casual 11y ago
    You've addressed none of the points that I made. You claimed that school is the only way to learn how to think critically and should be used to take away the suffrage of millions of people. In response to me calling you out on this very dangerous and ignorant opinion, you've chosen to derail by linking to reddit, talk about "life lessons" you learned as a teenager, and brag about the college you went to. Nice.
tmptmp 11y ago
Critical thinking is a must, besides we need some STEM knowledge also because you cannot do much of meaningful critical thinking without it, especially in today's world. So high school is definitely a must and college if you can.

matt_wulfeck 11y ago

Why do you think the only environment people can learn these skills is sitting at a desk for extended periods of time?

Pharaoh2 11y ago
I don't know what you did in your college, but I wasn't sitting at my desk for extended period of time.
- such_a_casual 11y ago
  Well in most highschools and universities children/people sit for hours at a time behind desks while someone talks. Did you stand for your lectures? Did you not have lectures? Is 6 hours a day not an extended period of time?
  - Pharaoh2 11y ago
    Honestly, 6 hours a day in high school is nothing. For most of us that is the best use of the time that we have in a day when we are in high school. But it does provide the required base that is needed in college for a majority of the population. Are you saying we should stop the whole system for the benefit of the 0.1% (3 sigma)? In college lectures was from a minimum of 3 hours to maximum of 5 hours depending on how many credit you took in the semester. But the actual learning happened outside of those hours and once again lectures were important only to create the base, maybe even only to provide an introduction to the base.

fokov 11y ago

In my opinion, the problem with high school is due to the large amount of wasted time. So many classes had dozens of days if not the large majority of the time spent on nothing or busy work. Busy work is a large part of bureaucratic organizations where most of the cogs will end up, but it shouldn't be the goal. I think many high school courses could be pushed down into earlier education and a great deal of knowledge a university provides could be offered there.

gtk40 11y ago
I think some schools are adopting new models, but when I graduated from high school <10 years ago, all but a handful of classes were two semesters long (i.e., autumn and spring would be the same class) and all classes met 5 days a week for approximately an hour, with 7 classes a day. With 180 days of school, with most classes meeting every day of that (save exam time), that is over a thousand hours spent per class.

NovaS1X 11y ago

I didn't finish high school nor did I go to college or university. I'm now a systems engineer. Should I not be able to vote?

Pharaoh2 11y ago
Did you develop an ability to think critically? Can you rationalize your position? Congratulations, you can do well on your own and you are not a liability. But you are also in the minority, I envy your the intelligence and will to learn you were born with, but not everyone has that. Most discussion about college not being important is about the fact that we don't use anything we learned in our majors after college, but your major is hardly the important thing to learn in college.
- NovaS1X 11y ago
  Thanks for the comment. I understand what you we're trying to say, however, the last part about not being able to vote rubbed me the wrong way. I've been through the pain of trying to find a job with no "education" as the system currently is. Making things more difficult doesn't help. Companies don't know how to judge critical thinking, that's why they rely on degrees. It's a cultural problem. I got lucky because someone was willing to take a gamble on me and it worked out for both of us. Not everyone with my "intelligence and will to learn" get so lucky as me no matter how capable they are. Tech seems to be a strange exception to the rule. It's easier to get a job being self educated in tech than anywhere else it seems.

pnut 11y ago

The only constitutional voting test is, are you a citizen of voting age, who is not a felon? I would rather see that test applied as a prerequisite to run for public office.

such_a_casual 11y ago

>Either that, or you don't get to vote. What? Graduating from school (highschool or university) is about learning how to follow directions and play the game. To say that a degree somehow guarantees that a person knows how to think critically is ludicrous. But you're not even making such a modest claim, you're actually claiming that it is the only way to assure people can think critically (even though it's not even a valid way to begin with). Some of us can think critically as children. Do you honestly believe just because you couldn't think critically until you were an adult, that means that hundreds of millions of people that you've never met should be forced into the same fruitless, and arbitrary indoctrination you had to undergo to become adequate in your own eyes? Are you aware of how absolutely stupid school seems to people who are really, really smart? http://www.lambdassociates.org/blog/bipolar.htm http://www.lambdassociates.org/blog/bipolar.htm

Pharaoh2 11y ago
I have a place for you that your might really like, https://www.reddit.com/r/topmindsofreddit https://www.reddit.com/r/topmindsofreddit Go there and be happy. The important thing in high school and college wasn't what I learned in the classroom, although some of it does help me in life. The important this was what I learned in that environment with my peers. I don't know how bad your college was, but I did go to a pretty good college in my country. It might not compare to ivy league colleges, but it taught me important life lessons none the less. My opinions are biased by my college experience but it sure goes to show that college can be great and not completely useless and a lot of people like to claim.
- such_a_casual 11y ago
  You've addressed none of the points that I made. You claimed that school is the only way to learn how to think critically and should be used to take away the suffrage of millions of people. In response to me calling you out on this very dangerous and ignorant opinion, you've chosen to derail by linking to reddit, talk about "life lessons" you learned as a teenager, and brag about the college you went to. Nice.

tmptmp 11y ago

Critical thinking is a must, besides we need some STEM knowledge also because you cannot do much of meaningful critical thinking without it, especially in today's world. So high school is definitely a must and college if you can.