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awesome idea, kind of similar to the idea that financial market firms were much more prudent when they were partnerships, whose top members had most of their se

awesome idea, kind of similar to the idea that financial market firms were much more prudent when they were partnerships, whose top members had most of their self-worth tied up in that company. Once outside shareholders owned the stock, it made it much more sensible to make big bets, if you win you get a huge bonus, if not, they cant take away all the money you made in previous years.

rm_-rf_slash 11y ago
Glad you agree. I think there are plenty of good suggestions for police reform, but I can see how things like body cameras can descend into messy micromanagement (what's a minimum uptime? What are the penalties? What about mistakes?). Make bad behavior a huge disincentive and police departments will largely sort themselves out. If they are empowered to make their own decisions as to how to do so, they will be more willing to adapt. At the moment there is huge pushback from the public about police abuse, and cops are understandably frustrated by a public - that doesn't go into harm's way on a daily basis - trying to tell them how to do their jobs.
- zepto 11y ago
  How will those big payouts happen without the evidence from body cams?
  - rm_-rf_slash 11y ago
    They already do. Bystander cameras, CCTVs, even witness reports have done a great deal to secure absurd amounts of taxpayer money for police brutality lawsuits. I still think we should have body cameras, but the primary focus should be better policing, not camera compliance alone.
    - zepto 11y ago
      They do on extremely rare occasions, but it is clear that the level of misconduct is far higher than is ever prosecuted. On the subject of camera compliance - if an officer deliberately evades camera compliance, as a huge proportion do, we have clear evidence that that officer believes they do not have to follow policies and procedures in general. That is corruption.

rm_-rf_slash 11y ago

Glad you agree. I think there are plenty of good suggestions for police reform, but I can see how things like body cameras can descend into messy micromanagement (what's a minimum uptime? What are the penalties? What about mistakes?). Make bad behavior a huge disincentive and police departments will largely sort themselves out. If they are empowered to make their own decisions as to how to do so, they will be more willing to adapt. At the moment there is huge pushback from the public about police abuse, and cops are understandably frustrated by a public - that doesn't go into harm's way on a daily basis - trying to tell them how to do their jobs.

zepto 11y ago
How will those big payouts happen without the evidence from body cams?
- rm_-rf_slash 11y ago
  They already do. Bystander cameras, CCTVs, even witness reports have done a great deal to secure absurd amounts of taxpayer money for police brutality lawsuits. I still think we should have body cameras, but the primary focus should be better policing, not camera compliance alone.
  - zepto 11y ago
    They do on extremely rare occasions, but it is clear that the level of misconduct is far higher than is ever prosecuted. On the subject of camera compliance - if an officer deliberately evades camera compliance, as a huge proportion do, we have clear evidence that that officer believes they do not have to follow policies and procedures in general. That is corruption.