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Wikipedia is more balanced and I believe more realistically shows what's really known about the subject, namely, less than what the author assumes: https://en.

by acqq 11y ago

Wikipedia is more balanced and I believe more realistically shows what's really known about the subject, namely, less than what the author assumes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_Dark_Ages https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_Dark_Ages Also, we know about "Sea Peoples" really little and only from Egyptian sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Peoples https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Peoples The "The Bronze Age Apocalypse" seems also a clickbait, as it seems it's only Greek lands that declined at that time.

bergie 11y ago
Not only Greece, but also pretty much all of Levant and Mesopotamia was destroyed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_Bronze_Age_collapse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_Bronze_Age_collapse
- acqq 11y ago
  > pretty much all of Levant and Mesopotamia Mesopotamia? It doesn't seem right. From your link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_Bronze_Age_collapse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_Bronze_Age_collapse "The Late Bronze Age collapse was a transition in the Aegean Region, Southwestern Asia and the Eastern Mediterranean" See the map: https://martinhumanities.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/map01-02.jpg https://martinhumanities.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/map01-0... That is, there was a lot of destruction, but that didn't result in a few centuries of "dark age" like in Greece: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syro-Hittite_states https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syro-Hittite_states
  - mason240 11y ago
    Only because new groups came to dominance in Anatolia and Mesopotamia. The Late Bronze Age Collapse is a real thing that affected more than just Greece and the Aegean. I've seen lots to crazy theories behind the cause if it, but never a denial that it happened. I guess I've seen it all now.
    - acqq 11y ago
      The wide destruction of the cities is indisputable, I just don't have the impression that the comparable long-term effects outside of the area known as the ancient Greece existed. The more centuries of "dark ages" (effective illiteracy) that ensued seem to be characteristic only to that ancient Greece area? For example, Phoenicia had a high point exactly at the time of Greek "dark ages": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenicia#High_point:_1200.E2.80.93800_BC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenicia#High_point:_1200.E2.... Re Mesopotamia there were already the links.

by acqq 11y ago

bergie 11y ago

Not only Greece, but also pretty much all of Levant and Mesopotamia was destroyed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_Bronze_Age_collapse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_Bronze_Age_collapse

acqq 11y ago
> pretty much all of Levant and Mesopotamia Mesopotamia? It doesn't seem right. From your link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_Bronze_Age_collapse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_Bronze_Age_collapse "The Late Bronze Age collapse was a transition in the Aegean Region, Southwestern Asia and the Eastern Mediterranean" See the map: https://martinhumanities.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/map01-02.jpg https://martinhumanities.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/map01-0... That is, there was a lot of destruction, but that didn't result in a few centuries of "dark age" like in Greece: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syro-Hittite_states https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syro-Hittite_states
- mason240 11y ago
  Only because new groups came to dominance in Anatolia and Mesopotamia. The Late Bronze Age Collapse is a real thing that affected more than just Greece and the Aegean. I've seen lots to crazy theories behind the cause if it, but never a denial that it happened. I guess I've seen it all now.
  - acqq 11y ago
    The wide destruction of the cities is indisputable, I just don't have the impression that the comparable long-term effects outside of the area known as the ancient Greece existed. The more centuries of "dark ages" (effective illiteracy) that ensued seem to be characteristic only to that ancient Greece area? For example, Phoenicia had a high point exactly at the time of Greek "dark ages": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenicia#High_point:_1200.E2.80.93800_BC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenicia#High_point:_1200.E2.... Re Mesopotamia there were already the links.