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you're by far the flamiest person here. Flamier than the person who called Ruby developers "Rubes" after claiming Python is friendly to other developers? Inter

by drmock 17y ago

you're by far the flamiest person here. Flamier than the person who called Ruby developers "Rubes" after claiming Python is friendly to other developers? Interesting. Python community leaders are not into bashing other languages routinely Indeed, this is true. It's unfortunate that so many python developers don't follow suit.

pyre 17y ago
Does 'Rube' have a negative connotation attached to it? I mean we're calling Python devs 'Pythonistas,' which I also don't necessarily associate with negative connotations. Maybe I just haven't participated in enough Python-Ruby flamewars to know all of the 'secret' lingo that's only offensive to you if you are already part of that flamewar culture? > Indeed, this is true. It's unfortunate that so many python developers don't follow suit. Do you have any numbers to back any of this up? Is it possible that Python just happens to have a small number of really vocal hyper-proponents that feel the need to bash everything else? Could it just be that you aren't a Python programmer so you take more offense to your language being bashed and therefore notice if more often than others?
- drmock 17y ago
  Does 'Rube' have a negative connotation attached to it? Yes, and it's been a common insult for at least a century: http://www.google.com/dictionary?aq=f&langpair=en|en&hl=en&q=rube http://www.google.com/dictionary?aq=f&langpair=en|en&#38... Do you have any numbers to back any of this up? We don't need to look any further than this thread: 30 points on the initial Ruby/Rails-bashing rant that also insults Ruby developers, 6 points on tghw's comment that insults Ruby developers with outright name-calling. Par for the course. Could it just be that you aren't a Python programmer No, considering I've been using python on and off for almost a decade now. your language Or it could be that there is no "[my] language" and I'm just willing to call out rampant hypocrisy and language-bashing when I see it. Honestly, I find it interesting that people assume someone doesn't use Python just because they call out Team Python on their non-stop trolling and language-bashing. "Either you're with us or against us," apparently. Big surprise.
- apotheon 17y ago
  > Does 'Rube' have a negative connotation attached to it? Yes, it does. Rubyists are typically called Rubyists or Ruby hackers if one does not wish to insult them. Calling a Rubyist ia "Rube" would be like calling a Pythonista a "Pyker" (reference to [piker](http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/piker http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/piker), definition 2). > Maybe I just haven't participated in enough Python-Ruby flamewars to know all of the 'secret' lingo that's only offensive to you if you are already part of that flamewar culture? There's nothing "secret" about the insulting character of the term "rube".
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tghw 17y ago
The "Rube" comment was a joke, not a serious insult. If it genuinely offended you, I apologize. On the other hand, if you're looking to be offended to prove a point about who is "flamier", you've succeeded.
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- drmock 17y ago
  It's not about offense, it's about a culture that apparently believes that name-calling and language-bashing are traits of a "nice" and "personable" community.

by drmock 17y ago

pyre 17y ago

Does 'Rube' have a negative connotation attached to it? I mean we're calling Python devs 'Pythonistas,' which I also don't necessarily associate with negative connotations. Maybe I just haven't participated in enough Python-Ruby flamewars to know all of the 'secret' lingo that's only offensive to you if you are already part of that flamewar culture? > Indeed, this is true. It's unfortunate that so many python developers don't follow suit. Do you have any numbers to back any of this up? Is it possible that Python just happens to have a small number of really vocal hyper-proponents that feel the need to bash everything else? Could it just be that you aren't a Python programmer so you take more offense to your language being bashed and therefore notice if more often than others?

drmock 17y ago
Does 'Rube' have a negative connotation attached to it? Yes, and it's been a common insult for at least a century: http://www.google.com/dictionary?aq=f&langpair=en|en&hl=en&q=rube http://www.google.com/dictionary?aq=f&langpair=en|en&#38... Do you have any numbers to back any of this up? We don't need to look any further than this thread: 30 points on the initial Ruby/Rails-bashing rant that also insults Ruby developers, 6 points on tghw's comment that insults Ruby developers with outright name-calling. Par for the course. Could it just be that you aren't a Python programmer No, considering I've been using python on and off for almost a decade now. your language Or it could be that there is no "[my] language" and I'm just willing to call out rampant hypocrisy and language-bashing when I see it. Honestly, I find it interesting that people assume someone doesn't use Python just because they call out Team Python on their non-stop trolling and language-bashing. "Either you're with us or against us," apparently. Big surprise.
apotheon 17y ago
> Does 'Rube' have a negative connotation attached to it? Yes, it does. Rubyists are typically called Rubyists or Ruby hackers if one does not wish to insult them. Calling a Rubyist ia "Rube" would be like calling a Pythonista a "Pyker" (reference to [piker](http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/piker http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/piker), definition 2). > Maybe I just haven't participated in enough Python-Ruby flamewars to know all of the 'secret' lingo that's only offensive to you if you are already part of that flamewar culture? There's nothing "secret" about the insulting character of the term "rube".

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tghw 17y ago

The "Rube" comment was a joke, not a serious insult. If it genuinely offended you, I apologize. On the other hand, if you're looking to be offended to prove a point about who is "flamier", you've succeeded.

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drmock 17y ago
It's not about offense, it's about a culture that apparently believes that name-calling and language-bashing are traits of a "nice" and "personable" community.