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Yeah but the team was in charge of consumer solutions (Workstation and Fusion), not datacenter solutions (vSphere, etc)

by agopaul 11y ago

zokier 11y ago
Hyper-V also ships these days on client Windowses too. I personally was quite pleased that I didn't need to install third party virtualization solution anymore on my workstation.
- walterbell 11y ago
  How is the graphics performance on Linux and Windows guest VMs?
  - quanticle 11y ago
    Pretty poor, right now, unfortunately. I was looking at replacing VMWare Workstation with Hyper-V. However, when I installed Ubuntu Desktop on a brand new Hyper-V VM, I had to do some grub hacking to pass kernel parameters to get the display resolution right. Even after I got the display resolution right, there was a noticeable lag in the GUI refresh. I know that maybe with some more hacking I could have gotten everything to work just as well as it does on VMWare Workstation, but that proves my point. In VMWare, everything Just Works, out of the box. In Hyper-V, you need to tweak things to to work, and it's not clear what all things you need to tweak. Allegedly that will be improving with Windows Server 2016, which is supposed to have better support for GPU acceleration for VM guests, but I'm waiting to see what actually gets delivered before I get excited.
drzaiusapelord 11y ago
Since Windows 8, Windows now ships with client Hyper-V. I imagine this is affecting sales as well. Not to mention, slowing revenues on the server front means they can't subsidize the cheaper or even free client solutions anymore.
- toyg 11y ago
  Workstation and Fusion have never been free, and not even "cheap". The problem is that really-free alternatives are now good enough for most uses: VirtualBox is the go-to choice for Linux and OSX and is fairly solid, while Hyper-V now ships with Windows and is overall quite good. VmWare have also run out of mainstream features to add, so it got harder and harder to solicit paid upgrades for what is basically an old-school shrinkwrap. What they will likely do is freeze the codebase and turn it in a mini-SaaS where you don't get Tools updates and new OS support unless you pay a yearly sub. In practice that's already the case, they will just make it more locked down. You don't need talent for that sort of thing.

Yeah but the team was in charge of consumer solutions (Workstation and Fusion), not datacenter solutions (vSphere, etc)

by agopaul 11y ago

Yeah but the team was in charge of consumer solutions (Workstation and Fusion), not datacenter solutions (vSphere, etc)

Hyper-V also ships these days on client Windowses too. I personally was quite pleased that I didn't need to install third party virtualization solution anymore on my workstation.

walterbell 11y ago
How is the graphics performance on Linux and Windows guest VMs?
- quanticle 11y ago
  Pretty poor, right now, unfortunately. I was looking at replacing VMWare Workstation with Hyper-V. However, when I installed Ubuntu Desktop on a brand new Hyper-V VM, I had to do some grub hacking to pass kernel parameters to get the display resolution right. Even after I got the display resolution right, there was a noticeable lag in the GUI refresh. I know that maybe with some more hacking I could have gotten everything to work just as well as it does on VMWare Workstation, but that proves my point. In VMWare, everything Just Works, out of the box. In Hyper-V, you need to tweak things to to work, and it's not clear what all things you need to tweak. Allegedly that will be improving with Windows Server 2016, which is supposed to have better support for GPU acceleration for VM guests, but I'm waiting to see what actually gets delivered before I get excited.

drzaiusapelord 11y ago

Since Windows 8, Windows now ships with client Hyper-V. I imagine this is affecting sales as well. Not to mention, slowing revenues on the server front means they can't subsidize the cheaper or even free client solutions anymore.

toyg 11y ago
Workstation and Fusion have never been free, and not even "cheap". The problem is that really-free alternatives are now good enough for most uses: VirtualBox is the go-to choice for Linux and OSX and is fairly solid, while Hyper-V now ships with Windows and is overall quite good. VmWare have also run out of mainstream features to add, so it got harder and harder to solicit paid upgrades for what is basically an old-school shrinkwrap. What they will likely do is freeze the codebase and turn it in a mini-SaaS where you don't get Tools updates and new OS support unless you pay a yearly sub. In practice that's already the case, they will just make it more locked down. You don't need talent for that sort of thing.