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> 2000 calorie diet of buttered bacon doughnuts is still likely to cause more problems than a 2000 calorie diet of vegetables, fruits and nuts Not to pick on y
by 1_player 11y ago
> 2000 calorie diet of buttered bacon doughnuts is still likely to cause more problems than a 2000 calorie diet of vegetables, fruits and nuts
Not to pick on you, but there's this idea that fat must come from processed crap.
What about a 2000 calorie diet of meat, (real) butter, (good) oils, cheese, nuts and vegetables? Is that unhealthy?
The jury's still out.
- noondip 11y ago> (good) oils Okay, I'll bite. What is a "good oil"? All oil is fat, and consuming fat causes serious health problems. The only "oil" you need are polyunsaturated fatty acids which occur naturally in whole vegetables and nuts.
- 1_player 11y agoYou catch me ignorant on this. The only oil I consume, apart from naturally occuring ones, is extra virgin olive oil, which the consensus from both sides of the fence is "it's good for you".
- noondip 11y agoOlive oil is NOT healthy. Can you explain how pouring saturated fat on a meal is supposed to improve it? Please show me where the consensus that olive oil is "good for you" is claimed to be reached.
- maxerickson 11y agoOlive oil only has a fraction of saturated fat, it is mostly unsaturated fats. I think whatever sources you are leaning on for your claims would have the same issues that all the sources demonstrating good things about olive oil have, there is no central consensus for any of it, making that a pretty weak argument.
- noondip 11y agoFirstly, it's mostly monounsaturated fats, which are not necessary in a diet. In order to justify pouring olive oil on a meal, it would have to be really nutrient dense, but nothing could be further from the truth.
- maxerickson 11y agoWhat do you mean firstly? You said Olive oil is NOT healthy. Can you explain how pouring saturated fat on a meal is supposed to improve it?, don't come back at me like I'm trying to mix things up.
- noondip 11y agoWell, can you explain how adding any saturated fat improves a meal, or not?
- maxerickson 11y agoI never claimed the addition of saturated fat would improve a meal. I don't think a modest amount of saturated fat makes much difference either way (I love me some butter, so I hope I'm right). I think there is a fair chance that there is some truth to all the studies of olive oil consumption that show a net benefit from consuming it.
- noondip 11y ago> all the studies of olive oil consumption that show a net benefit from consuming it Well, where are they? I find it laughable how no one ever seems to be able to cite evidence exonerating unhealthy olive oil in these types of discussions.
- maxerickson 11y agoThere's plenty of citations in industry material like this: http://www.aboutoliveoil.org/oohealthbenefits.pdf http://www.aboutoliveoil.org/oohealthbenefits.pdf (Now that I've pointed you to an easily found resource, will you read the cited works?)
- dahart 11y agoI agree with you, and I don't feel picked on, since I didn't say fats come from processed crap. Your example is one of a healthy diet, IMO, and fats are part of a healthy diet. My one and only point is that too much fat, even from natural sources, is unhealthy, and the jury is not out on that, it is a known, proven fact.