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I feel with you, but there is a nice solution :-) I moved to France from Germany, I had first to unlearn the German layout (QWERTZ) and then learn the French A
by reirob 11y ago
I feel with you, but there is a nice solution :-)
I moved to France from Germany, I had first to unlearn the German layout (QWERTZ) and then learn the French AZERTY. But as you say it is so bad! Additionally I was travelling for work and sometimes was exposed to type on different layouts and was very frustrated because I was accustomed to AZERTY. After one week in Russia I took the decision and switched to QWERTY, configured it to US International with AltGR dead keys [1]. This give the advantage, to have all the accents you might, the French, the German ones as well as Turkish and some more by combining. Plus you have the convenience of a keyboard layout that was used to design most of the programming languages. When you are in a front of somebody's French computer - the English layout it is just some clicks away (Left Alt + Left Shift on most Windows).
Just to give you some idea of how to get the accents:
AltGr + ' + a -> á
AltGr + ` + e -> è
AltGr + " + e -> ë
Shift + AltGr + x -> Œ (I don't even know if it possible to get this one on AZERTY)
Shift + AltGr + , -> Ç (This one as well is not possible on AZERT AFAIK. I think for this character the , was used because the key has on the top half '<' and on the bottom half ',' so it resembles ç). With Shift you get the capital letter and without the normal letter.
and so on.
If you buy ThinkPads you can chose to get the US International keyboard layout. Not so sure about other brands.
This was definitely one of the better life hacks for me - I never looked back.
[1] On Linux you get the US International AltGr layout shipped. But on Windows there is only a US International, but without AltGr dead key. I find it very disturbing, because for example if you want to type a double quote (") you have to type " + Space and the same for tilde, single quote and back tick. So I had to dig around to find US International AtgGr dead key layout. This comment gives some info and hints to another alternative that I didn't yet try out: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10948810 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10948810
- egeozcan 11y agoI think you can never get the Turkish "ı" and "İ" with any sane combination on any other keyboard than the Turkish though. I'm Turkish and have been living in Germany since more than 5 years and I still use a Turkish Q layout just for this reason (I occasionally have to write in Turkish). It also contains all the German letters under relatively sane combinations.
- reirob 11y agoYou can use the '.' (dot) key to modify/inverse the (single) dot above letters: AltGr . + i => ı AltGr . + I => İ I think this is what you were looking for and I find this combination easy to remember and other combinations seem to follow mostly the same principle (e.g. " (double quotes) modifies the double dots on the letters, which allows to make öÖäÄüÜëË, etc. The same for ~ (tilde), ` (backtick), ' (single quote). Here the combination for the special Turkish characters: Ç -> AltGr + % + C or AltGr , (comma) + C ç -> AltGr + % + c or AltGr , (comma) + c I remember this combination because the on the % key there is 5, or to say it differently % = Shift + 5, and 5 resembles a bit the symbol that goes below the C in Ç. The same is true for Şş Ğ -> AltGr + Shift + 9 + G ğ -> AltGr + Shift + 9 + g I remember these because (Shift + 9 corresponds to '(', i.e. opening bracket, which truned by 90°to left is like the sign that is on top of ğ and Ğ ı -> AltGr + . + i İ -> AltGr + . + I Ö -> AltGr + " + O ö -> AltGr + " + o Same principle for üÜ (and äÄ if you need German as well) Ş -> AltGR + % + S ş -> AltGr + % + s Ü -> AltGr + " + U ü -> AltGr + " + u