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I've worked in multiple fortune 500 companies and startups at the entry and now management level and been involved in Web Development for 20 years. I've never s

by Tiquor 11y ago

I've worked in multiple fortune 500 companies and startups at the entry and now management level and been involved in Web Development for 20 years. I've never seen a LOC report except when we run some games with the other devs to see # of changes in GIT or other source control.

dreamfactory2 11y ago
Big SI offshore dev operations sometimes use LOC still. (This is a part of why corporate enterprise software is so poor.)
ones_and_zeros 11y ago
Can you tell me which companies you've worked for that determined developer value by the effect on the bottom line? Because I'd like to send them my resume.
- OpenDrapery 11y ago
  Yes. Just because we all recognize that LOC is a shitty metric, doesn't mean that the industry has figured out what a good metric is. Measuring developer productivity and impact remains an unsolved problem. It still amounts to gut feel, and mostly whether or not your manager likes you or not, i.e. how much of a thorn you are to him/her.
- nfc 11y ago
  If you agree with not getting paid while you have no effect on the bottom line I'm hiring ;)
vonmoltke 11y ago
Come work in government contracting.
protomyth 11y ago
Steve Ballmer at the 20:03 mark of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqFYsvxHZOs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqFYsvxHZOs describes it as an IBM religion which he is pretty critical of.
jameshart 11y ago
Likewise, in my experience across many different sizes of company I've never seen LOC used as a productivity metric. The one time I've seen LOC taken seriously was when I've been asked to produce a LOC report as part of a due-diligence audit of a codebase prior to acquisition - that's largely because the line of code count of the codebase is indicative of what code IP auditing/security auditing/localization might ultimately wind up costing the acquiring company so they're using it to figure out entries in the liability column, not even valuing the codebase based on LOC count.
- dotnetchris 11y ago
  The best line of code i've ever wrote is the three i didn't.
icebraining 11y ago
Apple was once that company: http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?story=Negative_2000_Lines_Of_Code.txt http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?story=Negative_2000_Lin...

by Tiquor 11y ago

dreamfactory2 11y ago

Big SI offshore dev operations sometimes use LOC still. (This is a part of why corporate enterprise software is so poor.)

ones_and_zeros 11y ago

Can you tell me which companies you've worked for that determined developer value by the effect on the bottom line? Because I'd like to send them my resume.

OpenDrapery 11y ago
Yes. Just because we all recognize that LOC is a shitty metric, doesn't mean that the industry has figured out what a good metric is. Measuring developer productivity and impact remains an unsolved problem. It still amounts to gut feel, and mostly whether or not your manager likes you or not, i.e. how much of a thorn you are to him/her.
nfc 11y ago
If you agree with not getting paid while you have no effect on the bottom line I'm hiring ;)

vonmoltke 11y ago

Come work in government contracting.

protomyth 11y ago

Steve Ballmer at the 20:03 mark of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqFYsvxHZOs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqFYsvxHZOs describes it as an IBM religion which he is pretty critical of.

jameshart 11y ago

Likewise, in my experience across many different sizes of company I've never seen LOC used as a productivity metric. The one time I've seen LOC taken seriously was when I've been asked to produce a LOC report as part of a due-diligence audit of a codebase prior to acquisition - that's largely because the line of code count of the codebase is indicative of what code IP auditing/security auditing/localization might ultimately wind up costing the acquiring company so they're using it to figure out entries in the liability column, not even valuing the codebase based on LOC count.

dotnetchris 11y ago
The best line of code i've ever wrote is the three i didn't.

icebraining 11y ago

Apple was once that company: http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?story=Negative_2000_Lines_Of_Code.txt http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?story=Negative_2000_Lin...