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Luck is not a zero sum game. Yes, he was partially lucky and yes, he earned every dollar. There're so many lucky people in the world and so few Allens. I also

by kika 11y ago

Luck is not a zero sum game. Yes, he was partially lucky and yes, he earned every dollar. There're so many lucky people in the world and so few Allens. I also have experience anchoring in the Caribbean, among reefs as well (abeit in a much smaller yacht, like, kind of order of magnitude smaller :-)). And no, you can't predict where your anchor chain will go, especially if your common sense contradicts what "local authority" says. Sometimes they're right (most of the time, they were born there and spent the whole life) but sometimes they are just plain drunk and do not care. Island time.

jfoutz 11y ago
> he earned every dollar bullshit. People get rich on the unpaid labor of others. If nothing else, he would have less money if microsoft didn't participate in the anti-poaching scandal. It's clearly not his fault, but he got money because his corporation didn't pay market wages. edit This is, perhaps, a little harsh. I don't think he's a villain. I've never met the man, but i'm sure he's a decent guy. But you have to admit, his net worth is not a perfect reckoning of the value he created in the world. He's rich. good for him. Some of that money came from him, as an owner, colluding to not pay fair wages. This is just the most recent example. There was the whole temp workers thing. Microsoft has a fairly shady history.
- amlgsmsn 11y ago
  >If nothing else, he would have less money if microsoft didn't participate in the anti-poaching scandal. >Some of that money came from him, as an owner, colluding to not pay fair wages. What are you referring to?
- kika 11y ago
  > People get rich on the unpaid labor of others. "citation needed" (c) > There was the whole temp workers thing. "bullshit" (c). You automatically assume that under other conditions these workers would have made more money. In many similar cases though, they would have stayed unemployed. So you have to prove the point that somebody made some actual wealth from underpaying these workers. Which is possible, but not automatically true. Also, http://paulgraham.com/wealth.html http://paulgraham.com/wealth.html Also, I was born and lived half of my life in Soviet Union. I know what you're talking about and experienced it first hand. I've also experienced big time what happens when it doesn't work (and so far there's no good example in the world of it working sustainably).
  - jfoutz 11y ago
    Apple and google settled [1]. Microsoft, IBM, ebay, a bunch of other companies participated in the collusion scandal. Microsoft's case was dismissed due to the statute of limitations. [2] Again, I don't think he's a villain, good for him for getting rich. I don't believe those billions are an accurate reckoning of the value he personally has created in the world. [1] http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/apr/24/apple-google-settle-antitrust-lawsuit-hiring-collusion http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/apr/24/apple-goog... [2] http://www.workplaceclassaction.com/2015/12/microsoft-defeats-wage-suppression-class-action-on-statute-of-limitations-grounds/ http://www.workplaceclassaction.com/2015/12/microsoft-defeat...

by kika 11y ago

jfoutz 11y ago

> he earned every dollar bullshit. People get rich on the unpaid labor of others. If nothing else, he would have less money if microsoft didn't participate in the anti-poaching scandal. It's clearly not his fault, but he got money because his corporation didn't pay market wages. edit This is, perhaps, a little harsh. I don't think he's a villain. I've never met the man, but i'm sure he's a decent guy. But you have to admit, his net worth is not a perfect reckoning of the value he created in the world. He's rich. good for him. Some of that money came from him, as an owner, colluding to not pay fair wages. This is just the most recent example. There was the whole temp workers thing. Microsoft has a fairly shady history.

amlgsmsn 11y ago
>If nothing else, he would have less money if microsoft didn't participate in the anti-poaching scandal. >Some of that money came from him, as an owner, colluding to not pay fair wages. What are you referring to?
kika 11y ago
> People get rich on the unpaid labor of others. "citation needed" (c) > There was the whole temp workers thing. "bullshit" (c). You automatically assume that under other conditions these workers would have made more money. In many similar cases though, they would have stayed unemployed. So you have to prove the point that somebody made some actual wealth from underpaying these workers. Which is possible, but not automatically true. Also, http://paulgraham.com/wealth.html http://paulgraham.com/wealth.html Also, I was born and lived half of my life in Soviet Union. I know what you're talking about and experienced it first hand. I've also experienced big time what happens when it doesn't work (and so far there's no good example in the world of it working sustainably).
- jfoutz 11y ago
  Apple and google settled [1]. Microsoft, IBM, ebay, a bunch of other companies participated in the collusion scandal. Microsoft's case was dismissed due to the statute of limitations. [2] Again, I don't think he's a villain, good for him for getting rich. I don't believe those billions are an accurate reckoning of the value he personally has created in the world. [1] http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/apr/24/apple-google-settle-antitrust-lawsuit-hiring-collusion http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/apr/24/apple-goog... [2] http://www.workplaceclassaction.com/2015/12/microsoft-defeats-wage-suppression-class-action-on-statute-of-limitations-grounds/ http://www.workplaceclassaction.com/2015/12/microsoft-defeat...