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Upon first seeing npm 3.x I immediately added `--progress false --color false` to my npm installs and never looked back. Color and terminal graphics are the wor

Upon first seeing npm 3.x I immediately added `--progress false --color false` to my npm installs and never looked back. Color and terminal graphics are the work of the devil.

coldtea 11y ago
>Color and terminal graphics are the work of the devil. Or you know, it's 2016, and it's npm who does it badly.
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- morebetterer 11y ago
  I don't even want color and terminal graphics done goodly. I code with two monochrome terminals on the screen using vim and the command line.
  - untog 11y ago
    Not everyone is you. While I agree that flashy graphics are silly in the command line, I find color-based highlighting to be quite useful.
    - morebetterer 11y ago
      > Not everyone is you. Never claimed that was the case. God speed with your colors. May they bring you fame and good fortune.
      - scrollaway 11y ago
        > Never claimed that was the case. Whether you claimed it is not in question. You're saying "[color in the terminal] is the work of the devil", which has a clear intent to dissuade people from coloring terminal output. Which, frankly, is insanity. Most apps do it well nowadays: --color=auto/always/never, usually defaulting to auto. So when GP says "not everyone is you", they mean be considerate. If you want color off, you're being catered for. But don't try and push that choice on everybody who isn't you.
        morebetterer 11y ago
        "Catered to", "dissuade", "push that choice" and "insanity"? Now this is just getting silly. You are taking my comments far too seriously.
        oldmanjay 11y ago
        No, you're making bad jokes in a context where they aren't welcome. You may want to try Reddit or Slashdot. They enjoy this sort of thing, I understand.
        morebetterer 11y ago
        Thank goodness we have you and others to police the jokes. Remain vigilant! Keep up the good work.
        oldmanjay 11y ago
        Do you feel that being an asshole will make you more acceptable to the community?
  - kazinator 11y ago
    Thanks for sharing! As an undergrad, I had a 14.4 kbps modem, and an amber WYSE terminal. With that, I was able to do contract work. It reminded me of the amber monitor I had on my Apple II ten years before. A solid phosphor CRT with no shadow mask is a fine thing. Colors on a modern LCD are great too; give it a chance!
    - morebetterer 11y ago
      I have a soft spot for those short-lived X-terminals as well. The golden age of computing. Colors are great for web browsing, don't get me wrong. Just not near my code!
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      - kazinator 11y ago
        I contracted at Nortel in the mid 1990's. In my cube I somehow acquired a Sun Sparcstation 20 that nobody was using, and found an NCD black-and-white (or was that one grayscale?) X terminal on a shelf somewhere, collecting dust. I found an image for it somewhere, and set it up to TFTP boot from the SS20 (which was running Red Hat Linux) to a login prompt (XDM). It was a nice little setup.
        morebetterer 11y ago
        I bet it was. Well done. A couple of years ago I was just about to throw out all my O'Reilly X Window/Motif books from 20 years ago and when I landed a contract to update a K&R C based Motif system running on 32-bit Solaris connected to - of course - Sybase. It felt like I travelled back in time. Old code never dies.
        kazinator 11y ago
  - sbierwagen 11y ago
    You don't use syntax highlighting?
    - morebetterer 11y ago
      No, never had a need for it.
      - 1337p337 11y ago
        At the risk of getting downvoted myself, I wonder why all of your comments are getting downvoted. Is it such a terrible opinion that it doesn't even belong on HN? A lot of people turn off syntax highlighting. It can be legitimately distracting, and it messes up tooling.
        dang 11y ago
        Making vehement categorical statements about matters of taste is an old flamewar thing on programming message boards. I'm guessing the downvoters don't want that trope on HN. If so, I have to agree with them, because such discussion is basically never substantive.
        morebetterer 11y ago
        I was asked a question and provided an answer. So I don't care for syntax highlighting or colors in my editor and command line - big deal. I am not imposing my view on others. When working with a command line one wants npm or any command to run as quickly as possible. Any graphics that slow operation of the command should be an opt-in, not an opt-out. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but some people prefer to suppress others' opinion.

Upon first seeing npm 3.x I immediately added `--progress false --color false` to my npm installs and never looked back. Color and terminal graphics are the work of the devil.

coldtea 11y ago

>Color and terminal graphics are the work of the devil. Or you know, it's 2016, and it's npm who does it badly.

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morebetterer 11y ago
I don't even want color and terminal graphics done goodly. I code with two monochrome terminals on the screen using vim and the command line.
- untog 11y ago
  Not everyone is you. While I agree that flashy graphics are silly in the command line, I find color-based highlighting to be quite useful.
  - morebetterer 11y ago
    > Not everyone is you. Never claimed that was the case. God speed with your colors. May they bring you fame and good fortune.
    - scrollaway 11y ago
      > Never claimed that was the case. Whether you claimed it is not in question. You're saying "[color in the terminal] is the work of the devil", which has a clear intent to dissuade people from coloring terminal output. Which, frankly, is insanity. Most apps do it well nowadays: --color=auto/always/never, usually defaulting to auto. So when GP says "not everyone is you", they mean be considerate. If you want color off, you're being catered for. But don't try and push that choice on everybody who isn't you.
      - morebetterer 11y ago
        "Catered to", "dissuade", "push that choice" and "insanity"? Now this is just getting silly. You are taking my comments far too seriously.
        oldmanjay 11y ago
        No, you're making bad jokes in a context where they aren't welcome. You may want to try Reddit or Slashdot. They enjoy this sort of thing, I understand.
        morebetterer 11y ago
        Thank goodness we have you and others to police the jokes. Remain vigilant! Keep up the good work.
        oldmanjay 11y ago
        Do you feel that being an asshole will make you more acceptable to the community?
- kazinator 11y ago
  Thanks for sharing! As an undergrad, I had a 14.4 kbps modem, and an amber WYSE terminal. With that, I was able to do contract work. It reminded me of the amber monitor I had on my Apple II ten years before. A solid phosphor CRT with no shadow mask is a fine thing. Colors on a modern LCD are great too; give it a chance!
  - morebetterer 11y ago
    I have a soft spot for those short-lived X-terminals as well. The golden age of computing. Colors are great for web browsing, don't get me wrong. Just not near my code!
    - deleted 11y ago
      [deleted]
    - deleted 11y ago
      [deleted]
    - kazinator 11y ago
      I contracted at Nortel in the mid 1990's. In my cube I somehow acquired a Sun Sparcstation 20 that nobody was using, and found an NCD black-and-white (or was that one grayscale?) X terminal on a shelf somewhere, collecting dust. I found an image for it somewhere, and set it up to TFTP boot from the SS20 (which was running Red Hat Linux) to a login prompt (XDM). It was a nice little setup.
      - morebetterer 11y ago
        I bet it was. Well done. A couple of years ago I was just about to throw out all my O'Reilly X Window/Motif books from 20 years ago and when I landed a contract to update a K&R C based Motif system running on 32-bit Solaris connected to - of course - Sybase. It felt like I travelled back in time. Old code never dies.
        kazinator 11y ago
- sbierwagen 11y ago
  You don't use syntax highlighting?
  - morebetterer 11y ago
    No, never had a need for it.
    - 1337p337 11y ago
      At the risk of getting downvoted myself, I wonder why all of your comments are getting downvoted. Is it such a terrible opinion that it doesn't even belong on HN? A lot of people turn off syntax highlighting. It can be legitimately distracting, and it messes up tooling.
      - dang 11y ago
        Making vehement categorical statements about matters of taste is an old flamewar thing on programming message boards. I'm guessing the downvoters don't want that trope on HN. If so, I have to agree with them, because such discussion is basically never substantive.
      - morebetterer 11y ago
        I was asked a question and provided an answer. So I don't care for syntax highlighting or colors in my editor and command line - big deal. I am not imposing my view on others. When working with a command line one wants npm or any command to run as quickly as possible. Any graphics that slow operation of the command should be an opt-in, not an opt-out. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but some people prefer to suppress others' opinion.