If you're a "just get shit done" person, fine, go use a framework. I've just been burned too many times. It's not about complexity per se, it's about use cases

If you're a "just get shit done" person, fine, go use a framework. I've just been burned too many times. It's not about complexity per se, it's about use cases the framework designers did not envision beforehand. Soon as you're in one of those, your goose is cooked. If the framework just does what you want and gets out of the way then great. But in my experience the pain is not worth whatever benefit a framework provides.