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If you're expecting that pile to topple any time soon or if ever, I think you're going to be very disappointed. You see, the modern police state has learned fr
by finid 11y ago
If you're expecting that pile to topple any time soon or if ever, I think you're going to be very disappointed.
You see, the modern police state has learned from the mistakes of Stazi, and technology has made the police-state surveillance very seamless. Most citizens don't even realize what's going on, and when told, they have too much to worry about.
That their's no external force working against the interests of our system makes it all the more hopeless.
Seat back, folks, and enjoy whatever freedom you have now.
- dh997 11y agoWaiting for the cost to reduce, performance and battery tech of semiautonomous drones to improve to the point where crowdfunded watchdog groups could begin to afford to follow every police officer with a camera, live streaming and recording them almost all the time while on duty. It could be possible, at least start off with problem cops while they're patrolling on foot. I think that's one of the most effective ways to hold them accountable and provide a direct, counterveiling force against pervasive, unbridled hubris that most resembles a mafia. Not like confrontational YouTubers, but change the thinking to "we're watching you."
- mindslight 11y agoThe majority is fine with surveillance, because the majority believes it will decide the usage of the surveillance. And to a first approximation, it's correct. The collapse occurs because of the resulting top-down groupthink. There are plenty of external forces working against our system, just on the time scale of several generations.
- finid 11y ago> The majority is fine with surveillance, because the majority believes it will decide the usage of the surveillance. And to a first approximation, it's correct. Wishful thinking. Just keep dreaming. If by "first approximation" you're referring to voting, then, yes, majority gets to vote their favored lawmaker into office. However, because of political lobbying, the laws that are passed will not necessarily be in the interest of the majority.
- mindslight 11y agoLol @ "wishful" - my statement was utterly cynical. The laws that are passed are not in the interest of the majority, but that doesn't mean the majority didn't want them. Especially after being thoroughly soaked in propagandas.
- superuser2 11y agoWhen I'm a place I have a right to be looking at something I can see with my eyes, I can take a picture of that thing and I can do what I want with that picture. The courts have validated this again and again as a facet of my right to free speech. To ban this kind of surveillance you need to take the extremely authoritarian step of telling me I am legally obligated to forget what I saw, to not record it, to not speak of it. You have claimed ownership for the state of he photons landing near my camera, and are now trying to hold me to a license agreement on their use. This is an unconstitutional violation of my freedom. ANPR comes from an abundance of freedom, not a shortage.
- ThrustVectoring 11y agoThe surveillance isn't the issue, the database is. None of my privacy is compromised when a random person remembers seeing my car at a pharmacy at a specific time. It's completely violated when you collect a list of everywhere anyone has seen it in the last six months.
- superuser2 11y agoSure, but if you attempt to criminialize my recording of said observation in a shared database, you are violating my freedom of speech to protect your privacy. It's not immediately clear which is worse.