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It's the old diversity vs. centralization/standardization argument. Too many programming languages leads to too much fragmentation, not enough programmers well

It's the old diversity vs. centralization/standardization argument. Too many programming languages leads to too much fragmentation, not enough programmers well-versed in the languages, etc. Most times, we pick a language today based not on how optimized the language is for the problem, but on the availability of programmers who know how to use it. Haskell might be great, but if you're a business trying to build something, you'll have a much easier time hiring experienced C++ programmers. However, different languages have different strengths and weaknesses and applicability to certain problems, so you don't want to just standardize on one either. You probably wouldn't use Haskell on a project that is a good fit for C and needs low-level access to hardware. It's not much different with version control, except that fundamentally all such systems aim to solve the exact same problem: managing and keeping track of source-code changes in a project. They go about it differently (distributed vs. non-distributed is a big factor), and offer different features, but they all want to do the exact same thing. And here again, programmer familiarity is an important factor. Working with git is not even remotely like working with ClearCase, for example. So people tend to gravitate towards popular choices, which was SVN before, and now has become git. So if you pick Hg for your project, you're going to probably have to spend more time getting contributors up to speed on it than if you picked something more popular like git. One big factor in these debates is: how easy is it to change from one to another? Another is: how easy is it for individuals to pick their favorite and use that regardless of what others use? For programming languages and version control, you can't easily change between them, and everyone needs to be using the same one on a particular project (unless you do something where one part is written in one language and linked to another part in a different language through bindings, but this doesn't apply to version control). For editors, this isn't the case usually: any programmer can use whatever they want for the most part, and it has no effect on what others use. As for your other examples, build tools are the same as version control: everyone has to use the same one on a project. You can't have one person build with make/autotools and another with scons and another with CMake. This doesn't mean you can't change it later if there's a compelling reason, but there's inertia to overcome once a project is built a certain way. ASCII did win, that should be obvious. Even Unicode is largely based on ASCII with utf-8.

bsder 11y ago
> but on the availability of programmers who know how to use it The sheer prevalence of git "tutorials" would suggest that most programmers don't actually know how to use it. Relevant xkcd: https://xkcd.com/1597/ https://xkcd.com/1597/
- acveilleux 11y ago
  It gets much worse once you step out of the open source software and start up communities.
  - bsder 11y ago
    This is exactly what keeps me on Mercurial. I can teach Mercurial to CEO's, artists, students, etc. and some of them will be better than me on it with a week or two. All of them "get it" and it's "low friction"--they can commit and forget about it. People who need it can handle merging and the rest can ignore it. People who need branches can use it and the rest can ignore it. etc. git doesn't allow this. git is all or nothing. Either you inload the whole mental model, or you WILL wedge your repository somehow when you execute a command that doesn't quite do what you think it does. At that point, you will spend 4 hours combing Stack Overflow for the answer. Or you will just pull up the filesystem copy of the git repo you made before executing any command other than "git pull" or "git clone".
- Karunamon 11y ago
  This comic is shockingly spot on for me and my group. We all know the basics, but only at a "type this to get this result" level. The moment something ridiculous needs to be done like a rebase, I get called, and without fail need to have a few stack overflow tabs open to figure it out. Git's a phenomenal system, but sometimes part of me thinks it does require a PhD to fully grok.
  - starseeker 11y ago
    That's actually quite interesting - I remember similar comments (Phd required, or Phds aren't able to understand it) cropping up in discussions of the GNU autotools toolchain. (With a fair bit if justification, in my own experience, although I understand the results tended to be better for those who were shell script gurus...)

bsder 11y ago

> but on the availability of programmers who know how to use it The sheer prevalence of git "tutorials" would suggest that most programmers don't actually know how to use it. Relevant xkcd: https://xkcd.com/1597/ https://xkcd.com/1597/

acveilleux 11y ago
It gets much worse once you step out of the open source software and start up communities.
- bsder 11y ago
  This is exactly what keeps me on Mercurial. I can teach Mercurial to CEO's, artists, students, etc. and some of them will be better than me on it with a week or two. All of them "get it" and it's "low friction"--they can commit and forget about it. People who need it can handle merging and the rest can ignore it. People who need branches can use it and the rest can ignore it. etc. git doesn't allow this. git is all or nothing. Either you inload the whole mental model, or you WILL wedge your repository somehow when you execute a command that doesn't quite do what you think it does. At that point, you will spend 4 hours combing Stack Overflow for the answer. Or you will just pull up the filesystem copy of the git repo you made before executing any command other than "git pull" or "git clone".
Karunamon 11y ago
This comic is shockingly spot on for me and my group. We all know the basics, but only at a "type this to get this result" level. The moment something ridiculous needs to be done like a rebase, I get called, and without fail need to have a few stack overflow tabs open to figure it out. Git's a phenomenal system, but sometimes part of me thinks it does require a PhD to fully grok.
- starseeker 11y ago
  That's actually quite interesting - I remember similar comments (Phd required, or Phds aren't able to understand it) cropping up in discussions of the GNU autotools toolchain. (With a fair bit if justification, in my own experience, although I understand the results tended to be better for those who were shell script gurus...)