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Wait A second something doesn't make sense here. I thought the main reason for H1-B visas was because there aren't enough American workers? So why would they

Wait A second something doesn't make sense here. I thought the main reason for H1-B visas was because there aren't enough American workers? So why would they get rid of American workers they already had ,that have been doing the job? Surely it couldn't be because they lower pay of the H1-B workers?

electricblue 11y ago
Surely not, heaven forfend.
protomyth 11y ago
Why yes, http://www.dol.gov/whd/immigration/h1b.htm http://www.dol.gov/whd/immigration/h1b.htm states: The intent of the H-1B provisions is to help employers who cannot otherwise obtain needed business skills and abilities from the U.S. workforce by authorizing the temporary employment of qualified individuals who are not otherwise authorized to work in the United States. Sadly, the top H1-B visa sponsors are: http://www.myvisajobs.com/Reports/2015-H1B-Visa-Sponsor.aspx http://www.myvisajobs.com/Reports/2015-H1B-Visa-Sponsor.aspx You'll not that list is pretty heavy on the "body shop" side.
- serge2k 11y ago
  top 10 are all consulting, wow.
outworlder 11y ago
Is, it is the main reason, and the purpose of the visa. It doesn't mean that all companies use it for that purpose, despite what they say. Note that, according to the article, the laid off people seem to be (relatively speaking) older, with multiple years in the company. It is likely that their salaries are higher than what management would like them to be. My theory makes the prediction that the H1 holders are young. If so, they'll take lower salaries, specially if they aren't aware of living costs. Until they actually move, whatever offer they got must have seemed like a crapton of cash.
- protomyth 11y ago
  > Is, it is the main reason, and the purpose of the visa. It doesn't mean that all companies use it for that purpose, despite what they say. Yes, it is the main purpose: http://www.dol.gov/whd/immigration/h1b.htm http://www.dol.gov/whd/immigration/h1b.htm If the companies are not using it for that purpose and telling the government something different then they are committing fraud.
  - coldtea 11y ago
    >If the companies are not using it for that purpose and telling the government something different then they are committing fraud. The kind of fraud that's profitable, happens regularly and nobody gets called for.
    - protomyth 11y ago
      Well, this is an article about Disney getting called on it via a lawsuit.
      - DrScump 11y ago
        The key word being (civil) lawsuit. Neither state nor Federal governments pursued any criminal or civil action on their own.
      - coldtea 11y ago
        A civil lawsuit as the sibling comment notes. For which they'll settle or pay some insignificant fine, and continue about their same business.
  - outworlder 11y ago
    > If the companies are not using it for that purpose and telling the government something different then they are committing fraud. Yes. Not all of them, but some definitely are.
    - 11y ago
rconti 11y ago
Yes, hence the lawsuit.
prostoalex 11y ago
Disney would not be the employer of H1-B workers, the outsourcing company would be. Disney had a project cost of $X, the outsourcing company moved in offering to accomplish similar goals for $Y, where $Y is significantly less than $X. How the outsourcing company plans to accomplish this - through lower-paid workers, or some secret process management kungfu, or having 100x workers accomplish much, much more in a short amount of time, is a mystery for outsourcer to resolve.

electricblue 11y ago

Surely not, heaven forfend.

protomyth 11y ago

Why yes, http://www.dol.gov/whd/immigration/h1b.htm http://www.dol.gov/whd/immigration/h1b.htm states: The intent of the H-1B provisions is to help employers who cannot otherwise obtain needed business skills and abilities from the U.S. workforce by authorizing the temporary employment of qualified individuals who are not otherwise authorized to work in the United States. Sadly, the top H1-B visa sponsors are: http://www.myvisajobs.com/Reports/2015-H1B-Visa-Sponsor.aspx http://www.myvisajobs.com/Reports/2015-H1B-Visa-Sponsor.aspx You'll not that list is pretty heavy on the "body shop" side.

serge2k 11y ago
top 10 are all consulting, wow.

outworlder 11y ago

Is, it is the main reason, and the purpose of the visa. It doesn't mean that all companies use it for that purpose, despite what they say. Note that, according to the article, the laid off people seem to be (relatively speaking) older, with multiple years in the company. It is likely that their salaries are higher than what management would like them to be. My theory makes the prediction that the H1 holders are young. If so, they'll take lower salaries, specially if they aren't aware of living costs. Until they actually move, whatever offer they got must have seemed like a crapton of cash.

protomyth 11y ago
> Is, it is the main reason, and the purpose of the visa. It doesn't mean that all companies use it for that purpose, despite what they say. Yes, it is the main purpose: http://www.dol.gov/whd/immigration/h1b.htm http://www.dol.gov/whd/immigration/h1b.htm If the companies are not using it for that purpose and telling the government something different then they are committing fraud.
- coldtea 11y ago
  >If the companies are not using it for that purpose and telling the government something different then they are committing fraud. The kind of fraud that's profitable, happens regularly and nobody gets called for.
  - protomyth 11y ago
    Well, this is an article about Disney getting called on it via a lawsuit.
    - DrScump 11y ago
      The key word being (civil) lawsuit. Neither state nor Federal governments pursued any criminal or civil action on their own.
    - coldtea 11y ago
      A civil lawsuit as the sibling comment notes. For which they'll settle or pay some insignificant fine, and continue about their same business.
- outworlder 11y ago
  > If the companies are not using it for that purpose and telling the government something different then they are committing fraud. Yes. Not all of them, but some definitely are.
  - 11y ago

rconti 11y ago

Yes, hence the lawsuit.

prostoalex 11y ago

Disney would not be the employer of H1-B workers, the outsourcing company would be. Disney had a project cost of $X, the outsourcing company moved in offering to accomplish similar goals for $Y, where $Y is significantly less than $X. How the outsourcing company plans to accomplish this - through lower-paid workers, or some secret process management kungfu, or having 100x workers accomplish much, much more in a short amount of time, is a mystery for outsourcer to resolve.