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Bitcoin is already very untraceable. Yes, there's a public ledger of all transactions, but it has no identifying information. There are some public addresses wh

Bitcoin is already very untraceable. Yes, there's a public ledger of all transactions, but it has no identifying information. There are some public addresses whose owners are known, because they volunteered that information. Exchanges also know the owners of certain addresses. But that's about it. Bitcoin's address space is huge, something like 10^48. I can make a thousand of them in a few seconds, along with the private keys. I can send the money to any of them, and you will never know who owns it. I can send my money between these 1000 addresses as much as I want, and all you will see in the leger is money going from A to B to C, just like the rest of it. Bitcoin network doesn't know any difference between me buying something on Overstock, or me sending the money to my brother across the globe, or to myself.

ewillbefull 11y ago
This video should give you a better idea of how anonymous Bitcoin is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AypRF9q0llU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AypRF9q0llU There are also several startups dedicated to performing Bitcoin blockchain analysis for this specific purpose.
- imaginenore 11y ago
  Do you realize that this video doesn't contradict what I said? The hacker got caught, and (some of) the money got returned, and that's what they are showing in that video. If the guy didn't get caught, they would have never found anything, unless the thief is dumb enough to send these coins to his exchange. If it were me, I would randomly mix 40,000 coins between random addresses, random amounts, random times for like a year. Never using the same address again. I would mix them with other coins. You might end up with 10,000 addresses holding random amounts of coins, but that's not a big deal at all. You need some cash? LocalBitcoins in a neighboring town. Or create an online business and buy your own product from yourself. Or build a website, put ads on it, and buy quality traffic with bitcoin (arbitrage).
cyphar 11y ago
> Bitcoin is already very untraceable. Yes, there's a public ledger of all transactions, but it has no identifying information. There are some public addresses whose owners are known, because they volunteered that information. Exchanges also know the owners of certain addresses. But that's about it. That isn't true. Bitcoin transactions can be traced like almost all other transaction types (even more so because it's a public leger), the only difference is that the end points are pseudonymous (sure, they might not have your names, but they do have unique identifiers, like account numbers). It's a mistake to consider the above as being "untraceable" or anonymous. > Bitcoin's address space is huge, something like 10^48. I can make a thousand of them in a few seconds, along with the private keys. I can send the money to any of them, and you will never know who owns it. I can send my money between these 1000 addresses as much as I want, and all you will see in the leger is money going from A to B to C, just like the rest of it. This principle is all about mixing to "clean" bitcoins, but it doesn't provide strong anonymity properties (if all of the addresses you use for mixing are only used for mixing your bitcoins, you haven't improved your anonymity). > Bitcoin network doesn't know any difference between me buying something on Overstock, or me sending the money to my brother across the globe, or to myself. Other than the globally unique addresses, which can be used to tie together groups of transactions or owners of accounts.

ewillbefull 11y ago

This video should give you a better idea of how anonymous Bitcoin is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AypRF9q0llU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AypRF9q0llU There are also several startups dedicated to performing Bitcoin blockchain analysis for this specific purpose.

imaginenore 11y ago
Do you realize that this video doesn't contradict what I said? The hacker got caught, and (some of) the money got returned, and that's what they are showing in that video. If the guy didn't get caught, they would have never found anything, unless the thief is dumb enough to send these coins to his exchange. If it were me, I would randomly mix 40,000 coins between random addresses, random amounts, random times for like a year. Never using the same address again. I would mix them with other coins. You might end up with 10,000 addresses holding random amounts of coins, but that's not a big deal at all. You need some cash? LocalBitcoins in a neighboring town. Or create an online business and buy your own product from yourself. Or build a website, put ads on it, and buy quality traffic with bitcoin (arbitrage).

cyphar 11y ago

> Bitcoin is already very untraceable. Yes, there's a public ledger of all transactions, but it has no identifying information. There are some public addresses whose owners are known, because they volunteered that information. Exchanges also know the owners of certain addresses. But that's about it. That isn't true. Bitcoin transactions can be traced like almost all other transaction types (even more so because it's a public leger), the only difference is that the end points are pseudonymous (sure, they might not have your names, but they do have unique identifiers, like account numbers). It's a mistake to consider the above as being "untraceable" or anonymous. > Bitcoin's address space is huge, something like 10^48. I can make a thousand of them in a few seconds, along with the private keys. I can send the money to any of them, and you will never know who owns it. I can send my money between these 1000 addresses as much as I want, and all you will see in the leger is money going from A to B to C, just like the rest of it. This principle is all about mixing to "clean" bitcoins, but it doesn't provide strong anonymity properties (if all of the addresses you use for mixing are only used for mixing your bitcoins, you haven't improved your anonymity). > Bitcoin network doesn't know any difference between me buying something on Overstock, or me sending the money to my brother across the globe, or to myself. Other than the globally unique addresses, which can be used to tie together groups of transactions or owners of accounts.