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James Britt wrote the definitive post (in my opinion) on the use of Haml: http://www.jamesbritt.com/2009/4/29/thoughts-on-haml http://www.jamesbritt.com/2009/4/

by retro 17y ago

James Britt wrote the definitive post (in my opinion) on the use of Haml: http://www.jamesbritt.com/2009/4/29/thoughts-on-haml http://www.jamesbritt.com/2009/4/29/thoughts-on-haml

tptacek 17y ago
"I already know HTML, semantic whitespace is evil, and designers don't work in Haml". Ok.
jamesbritt 17y ago
Yikes. :) Thanks for the compliment, though the idea of "definitive" anything typically makes me bristle. . I stand by what I wrote, but I wrote it mostly because enough people kept asking me why I didn't care for Haml, and I'm sort of bad at keeping my mouth shut.
RyanMcGreal 17y ago
>I view static indentation as I do most forms of static typing: needlessly restricting in an attempt to solve problems that don’t come up much in Real Life code but make for nice pedantic rants about “But what if?”. As a happy Python user, I absolutely resent going to languages that require code block delimiters. Since I consistently indent anyway (and have done so since long before I ever discovered Python), it just feels like pointless duplication of effort to indent and delimit using curly braces or do ... end or whatever. Significant whitespace may not be for everyone, but there's no case to be made that it's punitive.
- jamesbritt 17y ago
  "Significant whitespace may not be for everyone, but there's no case to be made that it's punitive." There's a worthwhile difference between Haml's "must be this distance, exactly" approach and the offside rule of Haskell. That I cannot add some extra indentation for clarity or ease of reading in Haml is wrong. BTW, is there an auto-format plugin for vi that will automatically set/adjust the indentation of Haml if it is misaligned? As far as know, it's up to the typist to ensure that each item lines up exactly so, which is extra work (i.e. punitive), but perhaps I've just failed to find the right plugin.
compay 17y ago
That post sounds like the happy driver of a 1986 Honda Civic complaining about unecessary gadgets like fuel injection, power steering and antilock brakes.
- jamesbritt 17y ago
  More like mandatory child-proof door locks. Horses for courses.

by retro 17y ago

James Britt wrote the definitive post (in my opinion) on the use of Haml: http://www.jamesbritt.com/2009/4/29/thoughts-on-haml http://www.jamesbritt.com/2009/4/29/thoughts-on-haml

tptacek 17y ago

"I already know HTML, semantic whitespace is evil, and designers don't work in Haml". Ok.

jamesbritt 17y ago

Yikes. :) Thanks for the compliment, though the idea of "definitive" anything typically makes me bristle. . I stand by what I wrote, but I wrote it mostly because enough people kept asking me why I didn't care for Haml, and I'm sort of bad at keeping my mouth shut.

RyanMcGreal 17y ago

>I view static indentation as I do most forms of static typing: needlessly restricting in an attempt to solve problems that don’t come up much in Real Life code but make for nice pedantic rants about “But what if?”. As a happy Python user, I absolutely resent going to languages that require code block delimiters. Since I consistently indent anyway (and have done so since long before I ever discovered Python), it just feels like pointless duplication of effort to indent and delimit using curly braces or do ... end or whatever. Significant whitespace may not be for everyone, but there's no case to be made that it's punitive.

jamesbritt 17y ago
"Significant whitespace may not be for everyone, but there's no case to be made that it's punitive." There's a worthwhile difference between Haml's "must be this distance, exactly" approach and the offside rule of Haskell. That I cannot add some extra indentation for clarity or ease of reading in Haml is wrong. BTW, is there an auto-format plugin for vi that will automatically set/adjust the indentation of Haml if it is misaligned? As far as know, it's up to the typist to ensure that each item lines up exactly so, which is extra work (i.e. punitive), but perhaps I've just failed to find the right plugin.

compay 17y ago

That post sounds like the happy driver of a 1986 Honda Civic complaining about unecessary gadgets like fuel injection, power steering and antilock brakes.

jamesbritt 17y ago
More like mandatory child-proof door locks. Horses for courses.