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> Freud is a classic case. As a little boy, he and his family joined a flood of immigrants from the fringes of the Austro-Hungarian empire to Vienna Freud a cl

> Freud is a classic case. As a little boy, he and his family joined a flood of immigrants from the fringes of the Austro-Hungarian empire to Vienna Freud a classic case of immigration? Příbor the fringes of the Austrian Empire? He moved at the age of four 130 miles southwest to the capital. The Austrian Empire included at that point parts of Ukraine. That is hardly immigration, let alone a classic case. > He wore lederhosen and played a local card game called tarock Neither "lederhosen" nor "tarock" is local to Vienna. Sorry Wall Street Journal, but please get your facts straight before writing rubbish. Also, as the article is drawing comparisons to the flow of migrants right now, it should be noted that the current events are not comparable to any of the given examples in the article.

a_bonobo 11y ago
>Neither "lederhosen" nor "tarock" is local to Vienna. Vienna had its own tarock type that did not survive WW1: http://i-p-c-s.org/pattern/ps-14.html http://i-p-c-s.org/pattern/ps-14.html Lederhosen were once popular all over the Alpine Region, so I'm sure that they were popular in Vienna, too.
- datalist 11y ago
  > Vienna had its own tarock type that did not survive WW1 It is/was played there, but not exclusively. > Lederhosen were once popular all over the Alpine Region, so I'm sure that they were popular in Vienna, too. True, in the Alpine regions of Austria, Switzerland and Bavaria they are still somewhat common, mostly in the rural parts. Vienna has never been Alpine nor rural.
  - a_bonobo 11y ago
    >It is/was played there, but not exclusively. I don't think the author ever implied that tarock or Lederhosen were exclusive to Vienna, but that both were common there at the time, so Freud acquired both to fit in. I think you're reading too much into the text.
    - datalist 11y ago
      What I was referring to is that neither is Tarock a local game nor were lederhosen common in Vienna, both which is implied by the article. That can come to show how well the author did his research.
raverbashing 11y ago
Yes, that's pretty much comparable to someone going, I don't know, from Indiana to NYC (or maybe even from Buffalo to NYC)
Amezarak 11y ago
> Sorry Wall Street Journal, but please get your facts straight before writing rubbish. The WSJ is a great publication and worth reading. But you have to understand whose interests the WSJ represents: the global business elite. The global business elite loves immigration because, to them, it represents an inflow of cheaper workers who know and/or care less about their rights. (Even if you don't hire immigrants directly, increasing the labor supply helps slow wage growth.) There are probably also some other factors, like status signaling. They aren't worried about getting cultural details right, because they don't care about culture or civic engagement or anything like that. They care about cheap labor. You can therefore expect the majority of WSJ articles about immigration to say whatever they think cheerleads immigration most, no matter how nonsensical it is (but since the WSJ is a "serious" publication, you'd think nonsense would be kept to a minimum.) (There are, of course, many supporters of immigration who have nothing to do with the global business elite, many other arguments than can be made, for and against, but that's the WSJ demographic.)

a_bonobo 11y ago

>Neither "lederhosen" nor "tarock" is local to Vienna. Vienna had its own tarock type that did not survive WW1: http://i-p-c-s.org/pattern/ps-14.html http://i-p-c-s.org/pattern/ps-14.html Lederhosen were once popular all over the Alpine Region, so I'm sure that they were popular in Vienna, too.

datalist 11y ago
> Vienna had its own tarock type that did not survive WW1 It is/was played there, but not exclusively. > Lederhosen were once popular all over the Alpine Region, so I'm sure that they were popular in Vienna, too. True, in the Alpine regions of Austria, Switzerland and Bavaria they are still somewhat common, mostly in the rural parts. Vienna has never been Alpine nor rural.
- a_bonobo 11y ago
  >It is/was played there, but not exclusively. I don't think the author ever implied that tarock or Lederhosen were exclusive to Vienna, but that both were common there at the time, so Freud acquired both to fit in. I think you're reading too much into the text.
  - datalist 11y ago
    What I was referring to is that neither is Tarock a local game nor were lederhosen common in Vienna, both which is implied by the article. That can come to show how well the author did his research.

raverbashing 11y ago

Yes, that's pretty much comparable to someone going, I don't know, from Indiana to NYC (or maybe even from Buffalo to NYC)

Amezarak 11y ago

> Sorry Wall Street Journal, but please get your facts straight before writing rubbish. The WSJ is a great publication and worth reading. But you have to understand whose interests the WSJ represents: the global business elite. The global business elite loves immigration because, to them, it represents an inflow of cheaper workers who know and/or care less about their rights. (Even if you don't hire immigrants directly, increasing the labor supply helps slow wage growth.) There are probably also some other factors, like status signaling. They aren't worried about getting cultural details right, because they don't care about culture or civic engagement or anything like that. They care about cheap labor. You can therefore expect the majority of WSJ articles about immigration to say whatever they think cheerleads immigration most, no matter how nonsensical it is (but since the WSJ is a "serious" publication, you'd think nonsense would be kept to a minimum.) (There are, of course, many supporters of immigration who have nothing to do with the global business elite, many other arguments than can be made, for and against, but that's the WSJ demographic.)