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Thanks, that's why I shared it on here. I suspected that its rational approach may not receive a warm reception since so much of today's dialogue about this top

by lingben 11y ago

Thanks, that's why I shared it on here. I suspected that its rational approach may not receive a warm reception since so much of today's dialogue about this topic is driven by emotions. Glad that I was wrong. I find it alarming that this toxic culture is invading the tech field. Because of its nature, coding is, has been and will continue to be the best environment for meritocracy to flourish and be rewarded. If you are a good programmer and can deliver, no one really cares if you're young, old, black, white, purple, man, woman, etc. They will want to hire you and/or work with you. Squashing that for a superficially forced diversity "solution" is both short sighted and wrong. Discriminating against any category of people, no matter on what personal basis you decide to create that category is short sighted and wrong. Or should I say 'problematic'? ;) To leave things on a positive note, this is the sort of thing I'm talking about: https://github.com/rosarior/Code-of-Merit https://github.com/rosarior/Code-of-Merit

cmsj 11y ago
> If you are a good programmer and can deliver, no one really cares if you're young, old, black, white, purple, man or woman. They will want to hire you and/or work with you. That sounds nice when asserted as true, but is it actually true? > Squashing that for a superficially forced diversity "solution" is both short sighted and wrong. I'd note that the article talks about the importance of diversity of opinion. I have three further notes... -- An Open Source project is more than just programmers - it's users, documenters, testers, bug triagers, bug reporters, advocates, folk who give talks at conferences, people who put the project's logo on their laptop lid, trainers, consultants, book authors, book readers, etc, etc. You simply can't reduce the contributions of any person, to an objective scoring of their programming work product. -- We have the concept of professional conduct, IMO it's perfectly reasonable for a project to choose to require that of its community, if it so desires. -- Open Source is one of the greatest forms of free speech, so if you don't like the way something is running, say your own thing with your code and your conduct. If one claims that the right thing to do with detractors, is to ignore them, then one will have no problem running a free-for-all community/project amidst the hailstorm of criticism from folk who have a bad time there, or otherwise think it should change. See also, Linus.

by lingben 11y ago

cmsj 11y ago

> If you are a good programmer and can deliver, no one really cares if you're young, old, black, white, purple, man or woman. They will want to hire you and/or work with you. That sounds nice when asserted as true, but is it actually true? > Squashing that for a superficially forced diversity "solution" is both short sighted and wrong. I'd note that the article talks about the importance of diversity of opinion. I have three further notes... -- An Open Source project is more than just programmers - it's users, documenters, testers, bug triagers, bug reporters, advocates, folk who give talks at conferences, people who put the project's logo on their laptop lid, trainers, consultants, book authors, book readers, etc, etc. You simply can't reduce the contributions of any person, to an objective scoring of their programming work product. -- We have the concept of professional conduct, IMO it's perfectly reasonable for a project to choose to require that of its community, if it so desires. -- Open Source is one of the greatest forms of free speech, so if you don't like the way something is running, say your own thing with your code and your conduct. If one claims that the right thing to do with detractors, is to ignore them, then one will have no problem running a free-for-all community/project amidst the hailstorm of criticism from folk who have a bad time there, or otherwise think it should change. See also, Linus.