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Herzog's wild ride through the web

74 points by bloat 11y ago

rdtsc 11y ago
I'll have to watch this one. I enjoy Herzog's movies, especially the documentaries he narrates. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_of_Forgotten_Dreams https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_of_Forgotten_Dreams https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encounters_at_the_End_of_the_World https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encounters_at_the_End_of_the_W... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Into_the_Abyss_%28film%29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Into_the_Abyss_%28film%29 For one, I simply like hearing his voice I think. But of course he is a good director as well. There is something different about his approach, and it seems he is more passionate about the topics, he goes all in and becomes rather obsessed about stuff. He also appears compassionate towards his subjects. In his documentaries about the capital punishment, for example, he tried not to take sides or be accusatory, at least not in an obvious in your face type way.
- ufo 11y ago
  By the way, I can't recommend the 3D version of Cave of Forgotten dreams enough. I usually hate 3D movies but there is something really special about being able to see the depth in the cave paintings.
  - curun1r 11y ago
    My only problem with "Cave of Forgotten Dreams" was that it probably should have been an amazing 45 minute film, but he stretched it to twice that to make it into a feature. By the end, what was initially magical felt diminished by repetition. In contrast, when I visited Grotte de Niaux [1], we were allowed only a brief moment to see the cave paintings to keep the cave temperature constant. That limited time was truly special. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_of_Niaux https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_of_Niaux
    - kolbe 11y ago
      It's a 45 minute film if all you're interested in is the knowledge it brings. It's a two hour film if you allow yourself to take in the beauty Herzog captures.
- jdale27 11y ago
  I second this. I've been getting more into his films lately. One of my favorites so far is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Ecstasy_of_Woodcarver_Steiner https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Ecstasy_of_Woodcarve.... It's a documentary about ski-jumping -- something I tend to think about at most once every four years (if that much), and never thought was terribly interesting. Herzog, through an impressive combination of narration, music, and photography, turns it into an almost mystical experience. Then there's https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_Lieutenant:_Port_of_Call_New_Orleans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_Lieutenant:_Port_of_Call_N... ...
  - rdtsc 11y ago
    I was hesitant about Port of Call for some reason. What did you think about it?
- lobster_johnson 11y ago
  My favourite of his is Lessons of Darkness. It is fairly uncategorizable; it can hardly be called a documentary. The film roams across the oil fields of Kuwait, left burning after the first Gulf War. Steadycam helicopter shots glide over landscapes set to the haunting music of Mahler, Arvo Pärt and others (there is, of course, some Wagner). There's little narration; the few fragments are abstract and prophetical. The whole film is a rather disturbing tone poem about a futuristic, burning apocalypse. It's fantastic. The White Diamond [2] is also great. The subject matter (an attempt to fly a special air balloon to study the rain forests of Guyana) is interesting, but takes second or third place to the beautiful photography of the forests and the superb, eerie music of Ernst Reijseger, whose film music was released as the album Requiem for a Dying Planet [3], and a couple of Herzogian moments as he gets sidetracked by a weird native (whose philosophical monologue may have been scripted by Herzog) and a waterfall. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lessons_of_Darkness https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lessons_of_Darkness [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_White_Diamond https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_White_Diamond [3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FS1wabo4rXk&index=2&list=PLCOIBtqK1bke_WhtnZMLbOYRjUl6ib8me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FS1wabo4rXk&index=2&list=PLC...
  - rdtsc 11y ago
    Ah! I know about Lessons of Darkness and wanted to watch it. But couldn't find it on Netflix. I'd have to rent Amazon/Google Play or sign up for Netflix DVD service. But I put on my list of things to watch. Never heard of The White Diamond, so thanks for suggestion, I'll add it to my list as well!
    - lobster_johnson 11y ago
      It's also on iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/movie/werner-herzog-film-collection/id898136351 https://itunes.apple.com/us/movie/werner-herzog-film-collect...
  - igravious 11y ago
    Thank you for the recommendations. Your descriptions are very compelling and make me want to watch them post-haste.
- bobcostas55 11y ago
  Not only is he a great narrator and director, he's also a fantastic writer. Conquest of the Useless, a collection of diary entries from the time he was making Fitzcarraldo, reads like a non-fiction Heart of Darkness. Can't recommend it highly enough.
  - lobster_johnson 11y ago
    I also recommend Herzog on Herzog [1]. Part of a series of books where filmmakers discuss their own works with a loose interview structure. Very readable and accessible. For a supposedly difficult ateur, he comes across as approachable and pragmatic. [1] http://www.amazon.com/Herzog-Paul-Cronin/dp/0571207081/ http://www.amazon.com/Herzog-Paul-Cronin/dp/0571207081/
- throw_away 11y ago
  I always liked this short about the anthropomorphized life of a plastic bag, in which he's just the narrator: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5hAj9rB9_g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5hAj9rB9_g
  - mercer 11y ago
    I can highly recommend Ramin Bahrani's other films as well. I loved "Goodbye Solo" and "Man Push Cart".
- Reedx 11y ago
  I loved his documentary Grizzly Man (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grizzly_Man https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grizzly_Man). His voice was definitely part of why for me as well.
jrcii 11y ago
http://i.imgur.com/gyjMJ9H.jpg http://i.imgur.com/gyjMJ9H.jpg
kolbe 11y ago
I, for one, am very excited. Werner Herzog has one of the most fascinating minds, and his ability to capture new and interesting perspectives in his films consistently amazes me. Tech needs Herzog. This industry has too much money grubbing and too much Asperger's. I'm sure Herzog will be able to break through that all to poignantly show us what is beautiful and what is banal.
- joshkpeterson 11y ago
  Your comment is offensive. Saying things like "too much Asperger's" should not fly around here.
- deleted 11y ago
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dr_faustus 11y ago
I also recommend his documentary on his contentious relationship with his long time collaborator Klaus Kinski: "My Best Fiend". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Best_Fiend https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Best_Fiend Kinski was a very, shall we say, capricious actor (also, a psychopath and as, it turned out later, child molester) whose intense acting had a big part in the success of Herzog's earlier movies (Fitzcarraldo, Aguirre, Nosferatu). During the filming of Aguirre (in the middle of the jungle), Herzog supposedly forced Kinski to fulfill his contract at gun point. The natives which were hired to help and act in the film also offered to kill Kinski for Herzog because he was such a maniac.
- jrk_ 11y ago
  Of all the movies Kinski has done I saw Aguirre and "The Great Silence". I really liked Aguirre because it has a more positive vibe to it. The anti-happy-end of "The Great Silence" is also very appealing, yet really depressing. Nevertheless, certainly one of the best movies I've ever seen. You can say what you want about Kinski, he was a great actor and I highly recommend watching at least some of his movies.
nefitty 11y ago
"I am fascinated by the idea that our civilization is like a thin layer of ice upon a deep ocean of chaos and darkness" - Herzog
cylinder714 11y ago
To top it all off, he played the villain in Jack Reacher, a Tom Cruise movie from 2012.

74 points by bloat 11y ago

rdtsc 11y ago

I'll have to watch this one. I enjoy Herzog's movies, especially the documentaries he narrates. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_of_Forgotten_Dreams https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_of_Forgotten_Dreams https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encounters_at_the_End_of_the_World https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encounters_at_the_End_of_the_W... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Into_the_Abyss_%28film%29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Into_the_Abyss_%28film%29 For one, I simply like hearing his voice I think. But of course he is a good director as well. There is something different about his approach, and it seems he is more passionate about the topics, he goes all in and becomes rather obsessed about stuff. He also appears compassionate towards his subjects. In his documentaries about the capital punishment, for example, he tried not to take sides or be accusatory, at least not in an obvious in your face type way.

ufo 11y ago
By the way, I can't recommend the 3D version of Cave of Forgotten dreams enough. I usually hate 3D movies but there is something really special about being able to see the depth in the cave paintings.
- curun1r 11y ago
  My only problem with "Cave of Forgotten Dreams" was that it probably should have been an amazing 45 minute film, but he stretched it to twice that to make it into a feature. By the end, what was initially magical felt diminished by repetition. In contrast, when I visited Grotte de Niaux [1], we were allowed only a brief moment to see the cave paintings to keep the cave temperature constant. That limited time was truly special. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_of_Niaux https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_of_Niaux
  - kolbe 11y ago
    It's a 45 minute film if all you're interested in is the knowledge it brings. It's a two hour film if you allow yourself to take in the beauty Herzog captures.
jdale27 11y ago
I second this. I've been getting more into his films lately. One of my favorites so far is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Ecstasy_of_Woodcarver_Steiner https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Ecstasy_of_Woodcarve.... It's a documentary about ski-jumping -- something I tend to think about at most once every four years (if that much), and never thought was terribly interesting. Herzog, through an impressive combination of narration, music, and photography, turns it into an almost mystical experience. Then there's https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_Lieutenant:_Port_of_Call_New_Orleans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_Lieutenant:_Port_of_Call_N... ...
- rdtsc 11y ago
  I was hesitant about Port of Call for some reason. What did you think about it?
lobster_johnson 11y ago
My favourite of his is Lessons of Darkness. It is fairly uncategorizable; it can hardly be called a documentary. The film roams across the oil fields of Kuwait, left burning after the first Gulf War. Steadycam helicopter shots glide over landscapes set to the haunting music of Mahler, Arvo Pärt and others (there is, of course, some Wagner). There's little narration; the few fragments are abstract and prophetical. The whole film is a rather disturbing tone poem about a futuristic, burning apocalypse. It's fantastic. The White Diamond [2] is also great. The subject matter (an attempt to fly a special air balloon to study the rain forests of Guyana) is interesting, but takes second or third place to the beautiful photography of the forests and the superb, eerie music of Ernst Reijseger, whose film music was released as the album Requiem for a Dying Planet [3], and a couple of Herzogian moments as he gets sidetracked by a weird native (whose philosophical monologue may have been scripted by Herzog) and a waterfall. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lessons_of_Darkness https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lessons_of_Darkness [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_White_Diamond https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_White_Diamond [3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FS1wabo4rXk&index=2&list=PLCOIBtqK1bke_WhtnZMLbOYRjUl6ib8me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FS1wabo4rXk&index=2&list=PLC...
- rdtsc 11y ago
  Ah! I know about Lessons of Darkness and wanted to watch it. But couldn't find it on Netflix. I'd have to rent Amazon/Google Play or sign up for Netflix DVD service. But I put on my list of things to watch. Never heard of The White Diamond, so thanks for suggestion, I'll add it to my list as well!
  - lobster_johnson 11y ago
    It's also on iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/movie/werner-herzog-film-collection/id898136351 https://itunes.apple.com/us/movie/werner-herzog-film-collect...
- igravious 11y ago
  Thank you for the recommendations. Your descriptions are very compelling and make me want to watch them post-haste.
bobcostas55 11y ago
Not only is he a great narrator and director, he's also a fantastic writer. Conquest of the Useless, a collection of diary entries from the time he was making Fitzcarraldo, reads like a non-fiction Heart of Darkness. Can't recommend it highly enough.
- lobster_johnson 11y ago
  I also recommend Herzog on Herzog [1]. Part of a series of books where filmmakers discuss their own works with a loose interview structure. Very readable and accessible. For a supposedly difficult ateur, he comes across as approachable and pragmatic. [1] http://www.amazon.com/Herzog-Paul-Cronin/dp/0571207081/ http://www.amazon.com/Herzog-Paul-Cronin/dp/0571207081/
throw_away 11y ago
I always liked this short about the anthropomorphized life of a plastic bag, in which he's just the narrator: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5hAj9rB9_g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5hAj9rB9_g
- mercer 11y ago
  I can highly recommend Ramin Bahrani's other films as well. I loved "Goodbye Solo" and "Man Push Cart".
Reedx 11y ago
I loved his documentary Grizzly Man (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grizzly_Man https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grizzly_Man). His voice was definitely part of why for me as well.

jrcii 11y ago

http://i.imgur.com/gyjMJ9H.jpg http://i.imgur.com/gyjMJ9H.jpg

kolbe 11y ago

I, for one, am very excited. Werner Herzog has one of the most fascinating minds, and his ability to capture new and interesting perspectives in his films consistently amazes me. Tech needs Herzog. This industry has too much money grubbing and too much Asperger's. I'm sure Herzog will be able to break through that all to poignantly show us what is beautiful and what is banal.

joshkpeterson 11y ago
Your comment is offensive. Saying things like "too much Asperger's" should not fly around here.
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dr_faustus 11y ago

I also recommend his documentary on his contentious relationship with his long time collaborator Klaus Kinski: "My Best Fiend". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Best_Fiend https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Best_Fiend Kinski was a very, shall we say, capricious actor (also, a psychopath and as, it turned out later, child molester) whose intense acting had a big part in the success of Herzog's earlier movies (Fitzcarraldo, Aguirre, Nosferatu). During the filming of Aguirre (in the middle of the jungle), Herzog supposedly forced Kinski to fulfill his contract at gun point. The natives which were hired to help and act in the film also offered to kill Kinski for Herzog because he was such a maniac.

jrk_ 11y ago
Of all the movies Kinski has done I saw Aguirre and "The Great Silence". I really liked Aguirre because it has a more positive vibe to it. The anti-happy-end of "The Great Silence" is also very appealing, yet really depressing. Nevertheless, certainly one of the best movies I've ever seen. You can say what you want about Kinski, he was a great actor and I highly recommend watching at least some of his movies.

nefitty 11y ago

"I am fascinated by the idea that our civilization is like a thin layer of ice upon a deep ocean of chaos and darkness" - Herzog

cylinder714 11y ago

To top it all off, he played the villain in Jack Reacher, a Tom Cruise movie from 2012.