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Have fun. I'm going to stay away from that hungry, pissed-off tiger, you can play with it all you want.

sridca 11y ago
> Have fun Yup, life is certainly way more fun without fear around. > you can play with [that hungry, pissed-off tiger] all you want. I can also choose to not play with it. That is the beauty of intelligently responding (free choice) instead of affectively responding (limited choice).
dawnbreez 11y ago
Since I apparently cannot reply to sridca's comment directly: The point is that the fear-response tells you to not play with the tiger, you astounding idiot.
- sridca 11y ago
  > The point is that the fear-response tells you to not play with the tiger, you astounding idiot. Last I checked, the fear-response "tells" more than not to play with the tiger. For example, it tells (via moral conditioning) not to kill or maim or wound (not to mention insult as you evidently are doing here) one's fellow humans - yet reading the daily news will confirm that such violence does happen on a regular basis (despite fear "telling" them not to do it). Therefore, is there something new you can contribute to aid human understanding?
  - dawnbreez 11y ago
    I'm not at all sure where you get the idea that fear tells one to not attack--have you never heard of cornered animals becoming viciously aggressive? Or humans, for that matter? You even contradict yourself, acting as though fear is an iron lock around your neck, and then noting that people do not respond to fear with subservience (which you seem to conflate with fear). I'm starting to wonder about your mental state, as well. You seem to be very focused on direct connections between emotion and full-on mental illness--all anger is violence, all fear is crippling phobia, all sadness is unending depression, at least to you. I can only guess at what led to these conclusions.
    - sridca 11y ago
      First of all it wasn't me who wrote fear tells one what to do or not, it was you. Which is why I put the word "tells" in scare quotes. What you are referring to, in that first paragraph of yours, is the role of fear in moral conditioning. The fear-conditioning instilled by your parents, peers, society via the 'stick' in the 'carrot and stick' based socialization. Unless they are a sociopath one is taught from an early age not to kill, maim or wound (among other principles) one's fellow humans, and where such fear-based socialization fails to work (because -- and this was the key point inferred above -- fear ultimately doesn't work in the modern world), the police-force with their license to kill takes over. > I'm starting to wonder about your mental state, as well. Your beating around the bush, via rephrasing that "you astounding idiot" insult, this time isn't going to change the fact that you'd rather go ad hominem than engage with rational discussion ... speaking of which, it may be apposite to point out that it was you who deemed human intelligence to be insufficient when it comes to such a simple act of not recklessly fooling around with dangerous creatures, to wit: <quote> dawnbreez: The point is that the fear-response tells you to not play with the tiger, you astounding idiot. <endquote> > You seem to be very focused on direct connections between emotion and full-on mental illness--all anger is violence, all fear is crippling phobia, all sadness is unending depression, at least to you. I can only guess at what led to these conclusions. Guess and wonder what you will ... meanwhile the original query, asked 22 hours ago, is yet to be answered: <quote> sridca: Name one instance of sensibility in retaining fear-response in this modern world. <endquote>
    - dawnbreez 11y ago
      Once again, the reply button is missing, so to give the answer of where fear responses are necessary in the modern world: A large fire. An angry tiger. A busy street. All of these are situations where a particular response--namely, distancing oneself from the threat--makes survival much more likely. Fear happens to produce that response, in a much faster way than higher-level cognitive processes, even in children who haven't got enough experience to reason about the danger. Also, seriously, get a therapist. It's been shown in psychological studies that trying to suppress emotions (of any kind) tends to lead to depression.
      - 11y ago

> Have fun Yup, life is certainly way more fun without fear around. > you can play with [that hungry, pissed-off tiger] all you want. I can also choose to not play with it. That is the beauty of intelligently responding (free choice) instead of affectively responding (limited choice).

dawnbreez 11y ago

Since I apparently cannot reply to sridca's comment directly: The point is that the fear-response tells you to not play with the tiger, you astounding idiot.

sridca 11y ago
> The point is that the fear-response tells you to not play with the tiger, you astounding idiot. Last I checked, the fear-response "tells" more than not to play with the tiger. For example, it tells (via moral conditioning) not to kill or maim or wound (not to mention insult as you evidently are doing here) one's fellow humans - yet reading the daily news will confirm that such violence does happen on a regular basis (despite fear "telling" them not to do it). Therefore, is there something new you can contribute to aid human understanding?
- dawnbreez 11y ago
  I'm not at all sure where you get the idea that fear tells one to not attack--have you never heard of cornered animals becoming viciously aggressive? Or humans, for that matter? You even contradict yourself, acting as though fear is an iron lock around your neck, and then noting that people do not respond to fear with subservience (which you seem to conflate with fear). I'm starting to wonder about your mental state, as well. You seem to be very focused on direct connections between emotion and full-on mental illness--all anger is violence, all fear is crippling phobia, all sadness is unending depression, at least to you. I can only guess at what led to these conclusions.
  - sridca 11y ago
    First of all it wasn't me who wrote fear tells one what to do or not, it was you. Which is why I put the word "tells" in scare quotes. What you are referring to, in that first paragraph of yours, is the role of fear in moral conditioning. The fear-conditioning instilled by your parents, peers, society via the 'stick' in the 'carrot and stick' based socialization. Unless they are a sociopath one is taught from an early age not to kill, maim or wound (among other principles) one's fellow humans, and where such fear-based socialization fails to work (because -- and this was the key point inferred above -- fear ultimately doesn't work in the modern world), the police-force with their license to kill takes over. > I'm starting to wonder about your mental state, as well. Your beating around the bush, via rephrasing that "you astounding idiot" insult, this time isn't going to change the fact that you'd rather go ad hominem than engage with rational discussion ... speaking of which, it may be apposite to point out that it was you who deemed human intelligence to be insufficient when it comes to such a simple act of not recklessly fooling around with dangerous creatures, to wit: <quote> dawnbreez: The point is that the fear-response tells you to not play with the tiger, you astounding idiot. <endquote> > You seem to be very focused on direct connections between emotion and full-on mental illness--all anger is violence, all fear is crippling phobia, all sadness is unending depression, at least to you. I can only guess at what led to these conclusions. Guess and wonder what you will ... meanwhile the original query, asked 22 hours ago, is yet to be answered: <quote> sridca: Name one instance of sensibility in retaining fear-response in this modern world. <endquote>
  - dawnbreez 11y ago
    Once again, the reply button is missing, so to give the answer of where fear responses are necessary in the modern world: A large fire. An angry tiger. A busy street. All of these are situations where a particular response--namely, distancing oneself from the threat--makes survival much more likely. Fear happens to produce that response, in a much faster way than higher-level cognitive processes, even in children who haven't got enough experience to reason about the danger. Also, seriously, get a therapist. It's been shown in psychological studies that trying to suppress emotions (of any kind) tends to lead to depression.
    - 11y ago