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> like population control I don't think many people that support a UBI oppose better sex education, greater availability of contraceptives/birth control medica

by trentmb 11y ago

> like population control I don't think many people that support a UBI oppose better sex education, greater availability of contraceptives/birth control medication, and abortions.

dogma1138 11y ago
That's still population control doesn't matter how you dress it up. There is nothing wrong with sex ed and abortion should be a basic medical procedure accessible to all but that's not the point. UBI has never been tested on a large scale it works great in small scale experiments but those are balanced by the existing open market. Communism also works great on smaller scales like communes and kibbutz's but it doesn't really work on national scales that well. If you implement UBI in a single city the fact that it's only confined to that place makes things like potential inflation untestable even local resources like rent can be controlled in such cases where in reality they'll run amok. Rent control for example was also posed as a great service but in pretty much all cases it either resulted in an extreme shortage of housing or a huge price inflation over time because government funded rent set the low bar as far as pricing goes regardless of the actual worth of the tenancy in an open market. If you implement UBI on a national scale the open market is quite likely to adjust fairly quickly which will make most basic goods and services out of reach of low income families again. It also can come at expense of other projects like vocational training and tuition grants. And if you want to control the adverse effects of inflation you usually start to step in into the realm of planned economies which never has ended well so far.
- trentmb 11y ago
  > That's still population control doesn't matter how you dress it up. Yes, apologies I wasn't clear.
newjersey 11y ago
There seems to be a strong correlation between total fertility rate per woman and the probability of survival of infants. I don't know if there is a direct link here but a low infant mortality rate seems to correlate to a low birth rate as well. In any case, I fully support better sex education, greater availability of contraceptives and birth control, and access to voluntary abortions.

by trentmb 11y ago

> like population control I don't think many people that support a UBI oppose better sex education, greater availability of contraceptives/birth control medication, and abortions.

dogma1138 11y ago

That's still population control doesn't matter how you dress it up. There is nothing wrong with sex ed and abortion should be a basic medical procedure accessible to all but that's not the point. UBI has never been tested on a large scale it works great in small scale experiments but those are balanced by the existing open market. Communism also works great on smaller scales like communes and kibbutz's but it doesn't really work on national scales that well. If you implement UBI in a single city the fact that it's only confined to that place makes things like potential inflation untestable even local resources like rent can be controlled in such cases where in reality they'll run amok. Rent control for example was also posed as a great service but in pretty much all cases it either resulted in an extreme shortage of housing or a huge price inflation over time because government funded rent set the low bar as far as pricing goes regardless of the actual worth of the tenancy in an open market. If you implement UBI on a national scale the open market is quite likely to adjust fairly quickly which will make most basic goods and services out of reach of low income families again. It also can come at expense of other projects like vocational training and tuition grants. And if you want to control the adverse effects of inflation you usually start to step in into the realm of planned economies which never has ended well so far.

trentmb 11y ago
> That's still population control doesn't matter how you dress it up. Yes, apologies I wasn't clear.

newjersey 11y ago

There seems to be a strong correlation between total fertility rate per woman and the probability of survival of infants. I don't know if there is a direct link here but a low infant mortality rate seems to correlate to a low birth rate as well. In any case, I fully support better sex education, greater availability of contraceptives and birth control, and access to voluntary abortions.