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Your comparison is clumsy. US car makers didn't intentionally break the law to increase the amount of poison gas entering the environment. The GM ignition swi

by bronson 11y ago

Your comparison is clumsy. US car makers didn't intentionally break the law to increase the amount of poison gas entering the environment. The GM ignition switch or Taketa air bag cases would be more apt.

johansch 11y ago
I think Elon Musk's ideas around VW were more sane: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/elon-musk-volkswagen-emissions-scandal_us_5674686de4b014efe0d56bba http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/elon-musk-volkswagen-emi... (His idea was essentially: societal rehabilitation rather than the electric chair.) I brought up the bailout because it establishes an anti-competitive pattern. Yes, I am aware that various European nations have done various similar bailouts as well, but I'm proud that my country (Sweden) resisted that when Volvo and SAAB were in financial danger a few years ago.
- pkaye 11y ago
  I can see why Musk would like this alternative remedy.
  - johansch 11y ago
    Yes, but the point is that we would all benefit. Now all that happens is that the other traditional car manufacturers get a leg up. They are all businesses run by profiteers rather than technologists. They have no interest in dramatically changing the scene.
mullingitover 11y ago
Almost every auto manufacturer has gotten in trouble for defeat devices at one point or another [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defeat_device https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defeat_device
rasz_pl 11y ago
>US car makers didn't intentionally break the law to increase the amount of poison gas entering the environment. The GM http://deredactie.be/cm/vrtnieuws.english/videozone_ENG/1.2549687 http://deredactie.be/cm/vrtnieuws.english/videozone_ENG/1.25... this GM?
gherkin0 11y ago
> to increase the amount of poison gas entering the environment Come on, it's not like VW cars were emitting hydrogen cyanide. They were emitting excess pollutants, not poison.
- reportingsjr 11y ago
  NOx causes a significant amount of health issues due to low level smog. I don't think a comparison to HCN is a good reason for not calling NOx poisonous. As an aside, diesel exhaust does actually contain cyanide compounds!

by bronson 11y ago

johansch 11y ago

I think Elon Musk's ideas around VW were more sane: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/elon-musk-volkswagen-emissions-scandal_us_5674686de4b014efe0d56bba http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/elon-musk-volkswagen-emi... (His idea was essentially: societal rehabilitation rather than the electric chair.) I brought up the bailout because it establishes an anti-competitive pattern. Yes, I am aware that various European nations have done various similar bailouts as well, but I'm proud that my country (Sweden) resisted that when Volvo and SAAB were in financial danger a few years ago.

pkaye 11y ago
I can see why Musk would like this alternative remedy.
- johansch 11y ago
  Yes, but the point is that we would all benefit. Now all that happens is that the other traditional car manufacturers get a leg up. They are all businesses run by profiteers rather than technologists. They have no interest in dramatically changing the scene.

mullingitover 11y ago

Almost every auto manufacturer has gotten in trouble for defeat devices at one point or another [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defeat_device https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defeat_device

rasz_pl 11y ago

>US car makers didn't intentionally break the law to increase the amount of poison gas entering the environment. The GM http://deredactie.be/cm/vrtnieuws.english/videozone_ENG/1.2549687 http://deredactie.be/cm/vrtnieuws.english/videozone_ENG/1.25... this GM?

gherkin0 11y ago

> to increase the amount of poison gas entering the environment Come on, it's not like VW cars were emitting hydrogen cyanide. They were emitting excess pollutants, not poison.

reportingsjr 11y ago
NOx causes a significant amount of health issues due to low level smog. I don't think a comparison to HCN is a good reason for not calling NOx poisonous. As an aside, diesel exhaust does actually contain cyanide compounds!