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One of the things I recommend everybody to do is learning languages. This article is one of the reasons for doing that. You are manipulated by translators' inte

One of the things I recommend everybody to do is learning languages. This article is one of the reasons for doing that. You are manipulated by translators' interests. The original in "WirtschaftsWoche" does not use such a strong wording in my opinion. I am Spanish native but work using German most of the time in central Europe. In my personal opinion traveling around the world I find the Muslim countries in lots of ways having opposite principles to Western values. They are not compatible: Mohamed told them that adultery women had to be punished with stoning death, Jesus response was forgiveness. In Qur'an it is said that anyone that does not believe in Ala, Christians and Jews should be killed, including those that call their selves "Muslims", but are not real Muslims. Of course Mohamed could say who was real Muslim and who was not. In other words he could kill anyone he wished with no consequences. Jesus told everybody should be respected, including those that believe in something different, or did not believe at all. A great difference. Mohamed married a 5 year old girl and consummated the act when the girl was 10, so by Western standards he was a pederast. If you believe that Mohamed is God's prophet you have to believe all he did is ok if you do yourself. Muslim countries are not open, I have visited countries were they kill you if you define yourself atheist or homosexual. There are atheists there, they will tell you as foreigner, but they could not tell anybody in their own country. If Europe opens the gates to Muslims, Europe will became a Muslim territory. As a European I don't want this for Europe.

nightspirit 11y ago
Your post is borderline offtop and I can see it downvoted to hell, but you actually touch an important issue. Using the Internet for two decades I came across countless campaigns against systematic human rights violations or violence against women in Muslim states. The politicians and organizations supporting Syrian immigrants are yet to explain how exactly they want to instill into those millions of people the same values that allowed them to come to Europe in the first place. So far it seems that they tend to settle in isolated neighborhoods and continue living the way they've always been, occasionally causing some trouble outside (the forbidden t-word, rapes in Koln, etc). BTW, a friend of mine had seen a group of those refugees in Hungary. They didn't want to deal with local people, many didn't accept food or other help as if it was below their dignity or something. It appears that they have some kind of "give us welfare money 'cause we as victims deserve it and leave us alone" attitude. This isn't pretty.
neptvnvs 11y ago
I'm in that non-muslim category in a muslim country you mentioned, and I'd say you are right. One does not openly say that here though. One would say you are generalizing muslims but statistics are on your favour with this one. People I know who are against radical actions define themselves as muslims but they don't even practice it. Even if they do, they could be considered reformist but such people are stigmatized, even killed. A woman would throw away her burka as soon as she manages to reach a civilized country, If she does not support incidents like the ones in Germany in new years eve. That ideology is simple, no burka otherwise getting raped is natural. She might very well be under scrutiny by her relatives to be forced into wearing that way, if that is the case those relatives more than deserve to be deported.
nroets 11y ago
"If Europe opens the gates to Muslims, Europe will became a Muslim territory". There are many caveats to this. For example, the US absorbs so many immigrants of different religions that it's guaranteed to stay secular. "In Qur'an it is said that anyone that does not believe in Ala, Christians and Jews should be killed" I have been ignorant of Islam. But, if this is true, is the Qur'an not hate speech ?
- neptvnvs 11y ago
  Indeed, a lot of people are put into asylums for things lighter than that. You tend to get away with it if it is your 'religion' and is backed by a lot of people.
- nightspirit 11y ago
  It seems that most of the time people point verses 2:190-194 as example, but frankly, they only tell to "fight those who fight you" [1]. However, in practice apparently some leeway in definition of what constitutes an attack on believers and reasonable retribution is used to justify things going on in Syria and, recently, in Europe. Or maybe they just don't care that much. It's not like medieval Europe followed the Gospels to the letter. The whole discussion is pretty academic. [1] http://www.islamicstudies.info/tafheem.php?sura=2&verse=189 http://www.islamicstudies.info/tafheem.php?sura=2&verse=189
dang 11y ago
Please don't conduct religious flamewars on Hacker News.

nightspirit 11y ago

Your post is borderline offtop and I can see it downvoted to hell, but you actually touch an important issue. Using the Internet for two decades I came across countless campaigns against systematic human rights violations or violence against women in Muslim states. The politicians and organizations supporting Syrian immigrants are yet to explain how exactly they want to instill into those millions of people the same values that allowed them to come to Europe in the first place. So far it seems that they tend to settle in isolated neighborhoods and continue living the way they've always been, occasionally causing some trouble outside (the forbidden t-word, rapes in Koln, etc). BTW, a friend of mine had seen a group of those refugees in Hungary. They didn't want to deal with local people, many didn't accept food or other help as if it was below their dignity or something. It appears that they have some kind of "give us welfare money 'cause we as victims deserve it and leave us alone" attitude. This isn't pretty.

neptvnvs 11y ago

I'm in that non-muslim category in a muslim country you mentioned, and I'd say you are right. One does not openly say that here though. One would say you are generalizing muslims but statistics are on your favour with this one. People I know who are against radical actions define themselves as muslims but they don't even practice it. Even if they do, they could be considered reformist but such people are stigmatized, even killed. A woman would throw away her burka as soon as she manages to reach a civilized country, If she does not support incidents like the ones in Germany in new years eve. That ideology is simple, no burka otherwise getting raped is natural. She might very well be under scrutiny by her relatives to be forced into wearing that way, if that is the case those relatives more than deserve to be deported.

nroets 11y ago

"If Europe opens the gates to Muslims, Europe will became a Muslim territory". There are many caveats to this. For example, the US absorbs so many immigrants of different religions that it's guaranteed to stay secular. "In Qur'an it is said that anyone that does not believe in Ala, Christians and Jews should be killed" I have been ignorant of Islam. But, if this is true, is the Qur'an not hate speech ?

neptvnvs 11y ago
Indeed, a lot of people are put into asylums for things lighter than that. You tend to get away with it if it is your 'religion' and is backed by a lot of people.
nightspirit 11y ago
It seems that most of the time people point verses 2:190-194 as example, but frankly, they only tell to "fight those who fight you" [1]. However, in practice apparently some leeway in definition of what constitutes an attack on believers and reasonable retribution is used to justify things going on in Syria and, recently, in Europe. Or maybe they just don't care that much. It's not like medieval Europe followed the Gospels to the letter. The whole discussion is pretty academic. [1] http://www.islamicstudies.info/tafheem.php?sura=2&verse=189 http://www.islamicstudies.info/tafheem.php?sura=2&verse=189

dang 11y ago

Please don't conduct religious flamewars on Hacker News.