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Nice troll, but there are a ton of websites being developed in Ruby/Rails these days. I don't think it's nichified at all, and the number of job ads is going up

Nice troll, but there are a ton of websites being developed in Ruby/Rails these days. I don't think it's nichified at all, and the number of job ads is going up, not down. Ruby is being improved and sped up too, in case you hadn't noticed. As always, use the best tool for the job. For an awful lot of small business sites - where PHP got its start - that is now Rails, and it's slowly emerging in larger projects too. I think Ruby will definitely give PHP a run for its money in the fullness of time.

maxklein 17y ago
That's what you believe. I believe something different. I believe that these languages had the chance, and it didn't happen. Technology rarely gets a second chance without some type of major change.
- sailormoon 17y ago
  Yeah, that's why I said "I think ..". Your statements were in the tone of stating facts, hence my rebuttal. Anyway, I think your dismissal of the newer languages is very premature. PHP took a long, long time to get where it is. 10 years ago you would have been saying "Perl has WON!!!"
  - sanswork 17y ago
    You realize Python is older than PHP and Ruby is the same age right?
    - sailormoon 17y ago
      Yeah. PHP and Ruby are contemporaries; I shouldn't have described it as "newer". But I would argue that unlike PHP, which was crude but useful right from the beginning, Ruby took a long time to gestate. It's only really in the last few years that Ruby's made the transition from enjoyable academic plaything to serious tool. And let's face it, we needed to wait that long for computers to become fast enough to run it ... ; ) But now, there's an astonishing amount of development and innovation surrounding Ruby. Look at MacRuby, for example - if that isn't a vote of confidence I don't know what is. In my opinion, the language is only just beginning to properly hit its stride. Who knows what will happen. Ruby might fail to gain critical mass, of course. But my point was that the OP's assertion that Ruby had tried and failed to make its mark is very premature. The Rails hype might have died down but from my perspective Ruby has more momentum than ever.
      - ighost 17y ago
        About MacRuby -- I think it will start infringing on Objective-C turf soon. There's also Rubinius. I think an exhaustive test suite for the language spec is a good thing.

maxklein 17y ago

That's what you believe. I believe something different. I believe that these languages had the chance, and it didn't happen. Technology rarely gets a second chance without some type of major change.

sailormoon 17y ago
Yeah, that's why I said "I think ..". Your statements were in the tone of stating facts, hence my rebuttal. Anyway, I think your dismissal of the newer languages is very premature. PHP took a long, long time to get where it is. 10 years ago you would have been saying "Perl has WON!!!"
- sanswork 17y ago
  You realize Python is older than PHP and Ruby is the same age right?
  - sailormoon 17y ago
    Yeah. PHP and Ruby are contemporaries; I shouldn't have described it as "newer". But I would argue that unlike PHP, which was crude but useful right from the beginning, Ruby took a long time to gestate. It's only really in the last few years that Ruby's made the transition from enjoyable academic plaything to serious tool. And let's face it, we needed to wait that long for computers to become fast enough to run it ... ; ) But now, there's an astonishing amount of development and innovation surrounding Ruby. Look at MacRuby, for example - if that isn't a vote of confidence I don't know what is. In my opinion, the language is only just beginning to properly hit its stride. Who knows what will happen. Ruby might fail to gain critical mass, of course. But my point was that the OP's assertion that Ruby had tried and failed to make its mark is very premature. The Rails hype might have died down but from my perspective Ruby has more momentum than ever.
    - ighost 17y ago
      About MacRuby -- I think it will start infringing on Objective-C turf soon. There's also Rubinius. I think an exhaustive test suite for the language spec is a good thing.