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I don't get the hate. It's an expansion of the tablet line to fit those whom a tablet would serve well but the Air isn't quite big enough. If a notebook serves

I don't get the hate. It's an expansion of the tablet line to fit those whom a tablet would serve well but the Air isn't quite big enough. If a notebook serves you better, get a notebook. If a 13-inch tablet serves you better, get the iPad Pro. If that's too big, get an iPad. If that's still too big, get a Mini or an iPhone 6+ or 6. The Pro is clearly for a limited audience; if it's not for you, it's not for you.

m52go 11y ago
In a vacuum, I'd agree with your thoughts. However, the competition makes similar devices at similar prices that, objectively, do a lot more. That's where it becomes a debate.
- criddell 11y ago
  It comes down to what software you want or need. That's probably going to dictate the platform, then it's just a matter of picking the form factor that fits.
- mercer 11y ago
  I think what often makes the debate frustrating is that for many people, myself included, 'do a lot more at the same prices' is not the most important metric that prompted our choices. It seems to me that many of the debates are unproductive as a result, because there's disagreement on some of the basic assumptions.
- yo-code-sucks 11y ago
  And the competition never updates their fucking OS, Microsoft not included because were talking about Non-desktops.
baldfat 11y ago
> I don't get the hate. I think price has a lot to do with the hate. $950 for 128GB is pretty step and 32 GB for a "Laptop" replacement is not practical. I am a Apple hater and one of my biggest Apple Tax problems is the cost for memory. My daughter has a 16 GB iPhone 6 really 16 GB? She just doesn't want to pay for the extra memory.
- aianus 11y ago
  In the age of Dropbox and Spotify, why would you need more than 16GB? I used a 16GB iPhone 6 for over a year and never went over 11GB.
  - baldfat 11y ago
    Well I have 32 GB and I seriously have issues if I want to have a movie or two downloaded on my phone. I can't even have but a few books installed and MAYBE on audio book with 16.
    - baldfat 11y ago
      I get a down vote because you got down voted by someone else? I don't think you get how the system works.
      - aianus 11y ago
        I didn't downvote you, it was the same guy.
  - gmac 11y ago
    Photos and videos taken with the camera, music and audiobooks for offline listening (in the countryside, commuting), sat nav apps, 3D games, a few movies or TV shows to entertain the kids in a tight spot, ... (I am currently at 42GB).
  - Jtsummers 11y ago
    I'm late to the party, but here's why I need (well, want) more than 16GB: Apps - some are large enough and used frequently enough that I don't want to have to do the download/delete cycle on them. Photos - I went to Italy a few weeks ago with a group. One of the guys had a 16GB phone. He was emailing the photos to his wife each night and deleting them after because he didn't have enough space. That's annoying, and what do you do when you don't have a data connection and run out of space? Music - sort of agree, but again, limited data connections do happen. Even when they don't, streaming saps the battery compared to playing already downloaded songs. Books - I play tabletop RPGs, less now than I used to. But when I played more, being able to pull from my collection of books quickly (some of these are just scans from old books, 100MB for a manual). Having to download them off Dropbox each time, or download/delete cycle through them to make sure I had enough space, would be annoying. Updates - an ex-girlfriend had the 16GB one when iOS 8 (?) came out. I kept telling her that we could update it on her laptop via iTunes and get around the problem, instead she cleared out a bunch of photos (and later regretted it because she was a dope and didn't back them up first) and apps (fewer regrets, those were just downloaded again) so she could download and install the OS update. AS I recall, that one had an absurdly large free space requirement, but even requiring a more modest 500MB-1GB of free space could be difficult to meet sometimes if you only have 16GB and downloaded music, apps, photos, videos. Which items do you delete to make room? EDIT: I'll note, this is more of an issue for me on tablets than my phone. I have fewer big apps on the phone that I couldn't delete, and I never watch video other than streaming some youtube content if someone sends me a link. My tablet, on the other hand, is my go to device when traveling and gaming (a fair number of good board games have apps for iOS and the iPad, much easier than carrying around several boxes of boards and pieces and rules to play with friends).

m52go 11y ago

In a vacuum, I'd agree with your thoughts. However, the competition makes similar devices at similar prices that, objectively, do a lot more. That's where it becomes a debate.

criddell 11y ago
It comes down to what software you want or need. That's probably going to dictate the platform, then it's just a matter of picking the form factor that fits.
mercer 11y ago
I think what often makes the debate frustrating is that for many people, myself included, 'do a lot more at the same prices' is not the most important metric that prompted our choices. It seems to me that many of the debates are unproductive as a result, because there's disagreement on some of the basic assumptions.
yo-code-sucks 11y ago
And the competition never updates their fucking OS, Microsoft not included because were talking about Non-desktops.

baldfat 11y ago

> I don't get the hate. I think price has a lot to do with the hate. $950 for 128GB is pretty step and 32 GB for a "Laptop" replacement is not practical. I am a Apple hater and one of my biggest Apple Tax problems is the cost for memory. My daughter has a 16 GB iPhone 6 really 16 GB? She just doesn't want to pay for the extra memory.

aianus 11y ago
In the age of Dropbox and Spotify, why would you need more than 16GB? I used a 16GB iPhone 6 for over a year and never went over 11GB.
- baldfat 11y ago
  Well I have 32 GB and I seriously have issues if I want to have a movie or two downloaded on my phone. I can't even have but a few books installed and MAYBE on audio book with 16.
  - baldfat 11y ago
    I get a down vote because you got down voted by someone else? I don't think you get how the system works.
    - aianus 11y ago
      I didn't downvote you, it was the same guy.
- gmac 11y ago
  Photos and videos taken with the camera, music and audiobooks for offline listening (in the countryside, commuting), sat nav apps, 3D games, a few movies or TV shows to entertain the kids in a tight spot, ... (I am currently at 42GB).
- Jtsummers 11y ago
  I'm late to the party, but here's why I need (well, want) more than 16GB: Apps - some are large enough and used frequently enough that I don't want to have to do the download/delete cycle on them. Photos - I went to Italy a few weeks ago with a group. One of the guys had a 16GB phone. He was emailing the photos to his wife each night and deleting them after because he didn't have enough space. That's annoying, and what do you do when you don't have a data connection and run out of space? Music - sort of agree, but again, limited data connections do happen. Even when they don't, streaming saps the battery compared to playing already downloaded songs. Books - I play tabletop RPGs, less now than I used to. But when I played more, being able to pull from my collection of books quickly (some of these are just scans from old books, 100MB for a manual). Having to download them off Dropbox each time, or download/delete cycle through them to make sure I had enough space, would be annoying. Updates - an ex-girlfriend had the 16GB one when iOS 8 (?) came out. I kept telling her that we could update it on her laptop via iTunes and get around the problem, instead she cleared out a bunch of photos (and later regretted it because she was a dope and didn't back them up first) and apps (fewer regrets, those were just downloaded again) so she could download and install the OS update. AS I recall, that one had an absurdly large free space requirement, but even requiring a more modest 500MB-1GB of free space could be difficult to meet sometimes if you only have 16GB and downloaded music, apps, photos, videos. Which items do you delete to make room? EDIT: I'll note, this is more of an issue for me on tablets than my phone. I have fewer big apps on the phone that I couldn't delete, and I never watch video other than streaming some youtube content if someone sends me a link. My tablet, on the other hand, is my go to device when traveling and gaming (a fair number of good board games have apps for iOS and the iPad, much easier than carrying around several boxes of boards and pieces and rules to play with friends).