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Nice! May I ask if you collected those manually? Perhaps they should be sorted/divided according to the genre they're from? Books/Movies/Tv-shows, etc? This li

Nice! May I ask if you collected those manually? Perhaps they should be sorted/divided according to the genre they're from? Books/Movies/Tv-shows, etc? This list made be realize a sort-of annoying (sometimes) tendency I seem to have developed. It appears that my first reaction to cool things is now not wonder but 'I need to engineer the shit out of fit'.My first thought after looking at the list was not 'wow, cool', but more of 'so if I use Named Entity Recognition, and a large corpus, I could have tens of thousands of such names in hours. Maybe I can catch up on computational linguistics literature on the issue, and even identify the relative importance of characters on the text. Should be a day-long project'. Need to learn to enjoy things for what they are, sigh.

NameNickHN 11y ago
> May I ask if you collected those manually? Yes, whenever I read a book or watched a movie I've added some of the characters to the list. > It appears that my first reaction to cool things is now not wonder but 'I need to engineer the shit out of fit'. Imagination and creativity. Nothing wrong with that. And nobody can blame you if you haven't the time to realize the idea.
mercer 11y ago
Haha, I've noticed the same thing. My approach is in part to learn to accept that it's what I'm like, it's something that fortunately helps put bread on the table, and fighting it too much seems pointless. And the other part consists of forcibly turning it off at times, through meditation or other activities, and seeing if it actually benefits me or if I'm just trying to be something I'm not. So far I lean towards 'accepting who I am' with the occasional and very necessary break. It's only when I become to 'meta' about this process itself that I get truly unhappy (trying to engineer my periods of non-engineering, and then to force myself to not engineer this process, and so on). In fact, it's all the 'meta' stuff in general that seems to be a bigger problem than any of my natural urges. But I digress...
- benten10 11y ago
  Yeeshh. I should to see a therapist for _that_ if nothing else. All that meta-ness, which I guess might(?) arise from insecurity, often makes me stop saying things other people would say, because I'm too conscious about the 'meta-ness'. People sort of use the heuristic that the 'metaness' is a quick way to identify a weirdo, so I often present myself as a lovable unknowing buffoon instead. Or maybe none of it is true, and I just make these things up to make myself feel better about myself.. Hmmm... See what I mean? ; )
  - mercer 11y ago
    I'd say it's mostly normal behavior: a very sensible desire to not be a weirdo, as being branded one can have bad consequences. But I suppose the more insecure one is, the more likely it is that this 'internal monologue' becomes a problem. And of course it can be argued that what is normal is not necessarily good or healthy :-). My favorite (short) novel illustrating this 'meta-existence' is Notes From Underground. I read it in a period where I was very insecure and becoming more and more withdrawn. Seeing on paper my exact thought process and how it negatively bleeds into my (social) behavior and becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy was very confronting, and a great warning and incentive to snap out of it somehow. I think the problems arise in a way similar to addiction: the 'meta' becomes habitual, then compulsive an overpowering, and is experienced as negative, perhaps even debilitating. But also gives a form of comfort. So we keep doing it. A certain degree 'meta', of self-reflection is fine, perhaps even necessary in the complex societies we inhabit, but especially in bad times it can become an addiction, making those bad times even worse. I strongly believe being alone is crucial for our mental health. Or to 'just be', I guess. And being 'meta' in your head is like constantly having conversations of sorts with yourself or with others. It's not being alone. In fact, it's worse than being alone, because your mind can puppeteer all these others, so you really just end up projecting your insecurities and judgments back unto yourself, except with more authority, because you're imagining your partner, parent, boss, or friend doing it, which somehow makes it seem more objective and real and painful.

NameNickHN 11y ago

> May I ask if you collected those manually? Yes, whenever I read a book or watched a movie I've added some of the characters to the list. > It appears that my first reaction to cool things is now not wonder but 'I need to engineer the shit out of fit'. Imagination and creativity. Nothing wrong with that. And nobody can blame you if you haven't the time to realize the idea.

mercer 11y ago

Haha, I've noticed the same thing. My approach is in part to learn to accept that it's what I'm like, it's something that fortunately helps put bread on the table, and fighting it too much seems pointless. And the other part consists of forcibly turning it off at times, through meditation or other activities, and seeing if it actually benefits me or if I'm just trying to be something I'm not. So far I lean towards 'accepting who I am' with the occasional and very necessary break. It's only when I become to 'meta' about this process itself that I get truly unhappy (trying to engineer my periods of non-engineering, and then to force myself to not engineer this process, and so on). In fact, it's all the 'meta' stuff in general that seems to be a bigger problem than any of my natural urges. But I digress...

benten10 11y ago
Yeeshh. I should to see a therapist for _that_ if nothing else. All that meta-ness, which I guess might(?) arise from insecurity, often makes me stop saying things other people would say, because I'm too conscious about the 'meta-ness'. People sort of use the heuristic that the 'metaness' is a quick way to identify a weirdo, so I often present myself as a lovable unknowing buffoon instead. Or maybe none of it is true, and I just make these things up to make myself feel better about myself.. Hmmm... See what I mean? ; )
- mercer 11y ago
  I'd say it's mostly normal behavior: a very sensible desire to not be a weirdo, as being branded one can have bad consequences. But I suppose the more insecure one is, the more likely it is that this 'internal monologue' becomes a problem. And of course it can be argued that what is normal is not necessarily good or healthy :-). My favorite (short) novel illustrating this 'meta-existence' is Notes From Underground. I read it in a period where I was very insecure and becoming more and more withdrawn. Seeing on paper my exact thought process and how it negatively bleeds into my (social) behavior and becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy was very confronting, and a great warning and incentive to snap out of it somehow. I think the problems arise in a way similar to addiction: the 'meta' becomes habitual, then compulsive an overpowering, and is experienced as negative, perhaps even debilitating. But also gives a form of comfort. So we keep doing it. A certain degree 'meta', of self-reflection is fine, perhaps even necessary in the complex societies we inhabit, but especially in bad times it can become an addiction, making those bad times even worse. I strongly believe being alone is crucial for our mental health. Or to 'just be', I guess. And being 'meta' in your head is like constantly having conversations of sorts with yourself or with others. It's not being alone. In fact, it's worse than being alone, because your mind can puppeteer all these others, so you really just end up projecting your insecurities and judgments back unto yourself, except with more authority, because you're imagining your partner, parent, boss, or friend doing it, which somehow makes it seem more objective and real and painful.