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Admittedly this is adobe propaganda, but their website has stats on flash penetration, its pretty impressive: http://www.adobe.com/products/player_census/flashp

Admittedly this is adobe propaganda, but their website has stats on flash penetration, its pretty impressive: http://www.adobe.com/products/player_census/flashplayer http://www.adobe.com/products/player_census/flashplayer I did once see on a comment here that more people had flash in their browser than had javascript turned on, but I can't vouch for that. Of course I am using SVG which means firefox or a badly supported plugin for IE. If you didn't need flash's interactivity, graphics or sound it would be pretty silly to use it.

BrandonM 19y ago
Flash may "reach" my desktop, and even work sometimes, but I find myself having to kill and restart Firefox a few times a day when it quits working. Even when it's working, there are a lot of sites that don't work correctly. Of course, if you're going for market share and don't care about people like me, Flash is just fine.
- greendestiny 19y ago
  I only care if you're an Orthodontist :) Really though, if you can realistically use html and not flash I'm sure its better. For my application, I've tried it both ways and flash outperforms native firefox SVG support, let alone trying to get it to work in IE with the adobe plugin. I think the big flash question remains whether to use long polling AJAX or flash for server push type applications.
  - xirium 19y ago
    Given the standard of software for vertical markets ( http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Rutherford,-Price,-Atkinson,-Strickland,-and-Associates-Dentistry,-Inc.aspx http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Rutherford,-Price,-Atkinson,... ), anything via a browser would be an improvement. In the worse case, you could wrap a browser component around your own client. This would allow you to install the browser of your choice on the platform of your choice.
    - greendestiny 19y ago
      Yeah looked into using XUL to do something like that. Now I'm down the track a bit if I needed a desktop or offline version I'd use Air. I'm not exaggerating when I say the interactivity of the flash version killed the native firefox SVG one. I appreciate that there is a not insubstantial anti-flash sentiment around, but its not likely to involve my customers and frankly I they're wrong in my applications particular case.
      - BrandonM 19y ago
        I'm fine with that. I just wanted to make sure you had an informed decision :)

BrandonM 19y ago

Flash may "reach" my desktop, and even work sometimes, but I find myself having to kill and restart Firefox a few times a day when it quits working. Even when it's working, there are a lot of sites that don't work correctly. Of course, if you're going for market share and don't care about people like me, Flash is just fine.

greendestiny 19y ago
I only care if you're an Orthodontist :) Really though, if you can realistically use html and not flash I'm sure its better. For my application, I've tried it both ways and flash outperforms native firefox SVG support, let alone trying to get it to work in IE with the adobe plugin. I think the big flash question remains whether to use long polling AJAX or flash for server push type applications.
- xirium 19y ago
  Given the standard of software for vertical markets ( http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Rutherford,-Price,-Atkinson,-Strickland,-and-Associates-Dentistry,-Inc.aspx http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Rutherford,-Price,-Atkinson,... ), anything via a browser would be an improvement. In the worse case, you could wrap a browser component around your own client. This would allow you to install the browser of your choice on the platform of your choice.
  - greendestiny 19y ago
    Yeah looked into using XUL to do something like that. Now I'm down the track a bit if I needed a desktop or offline version I'd use Air. I'm not exaggerating when I say the interactivity of the flash version killed the native firefox SVG one. I appreciate that there is a not insubstantial anti-flash sentiment around, but its not likely to involve my customers and frankly I they're wrong in my applications particular case.
    - BrandonM 19y ago
      I'm fine with that. I just wanted to make sure you had an informed decision :)