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> How dumb would the officer look if he let a suspect destroy evidence, escape, or otherwise pull something on the claim that they have to pee? There's a lot

> How dumb would the officer look if he let a suspect destroy evidence, escape, or otherwise pull something on the claim that they have to pee? There's a lot of ways in which the American system is deliberately set up to let some of the guilty go free and requires a certain degree of responsibility for those detained, charged, or imprisoned in order to preserve a set of rights that are important related to basic human dignity. So yeah, particularly in situations like this, I'm comfortable saying sure, risk the possibility that (as yet established) evidence might be destroyed or that subjects of interest might escape detention. Strict detention practices should be sustained by meeting a high standard for suspicion. But maybe better than that would be if we could have a system that included both reasonable pursuit of justice and a respect of basic rights. Seriously. Is it really impossible to give detainees and opportunity to urinate while protecting evidence? I doubt it. Search the damn bathroom, then search the detainee. Then, unless you've found anything that absolutely requires further undisturbed careful investigation and documentation, escort them to the bathroom for a reasonable amount of time. Part of the job. Particularly when you don't know that they're guilty of anything.

anikamariam 11y ago
what the hell are you talking about? no one cares how you think the laws should be. The laws are the way they are. The police can detain you if they have reasonable suspicion to believe you are involved in a crime in any way this was 100% legal according to the laws. no one cares what your fantasy interpretation is
- jdenning 11y ago
  Since you're posting with a newly made account, I'll assume that you're new here and direct you to the comment guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html TLDR - Please watch the tone of your comments (EDIT: here and in other comments on this topic). Thanks! """ Be civil. Don't say things you wouldn't say in a face-to-face conversation. Avoid gratuitous negativity. When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. E.g. "That is idiotic; 1 + 1 is 2, not 3" can be shortened to "1 + 1 is 2, not 3." """
- wwweston 11y ago
  > no one cares how you think the laws should be. The laws are the way they are. The laws are the way they're written, and the way they're read, and open to discussion and revision on both sides. If you're upset or threatened by that (and I can't see any other reason for some of the gratuitous hostility in your comment), perhaps your position isn't anywhere near as strong as you might like your bluster to communicate, and perhaps it would be better to find some less distressing activity with which to pass time than discuss it on the internet. > the police can detain you if they have reasonable suspicion to believe you are involved in a crime in any way This isn't the point of contention at all. That's whether it's reasonable and legal to deny detainees access to a toilet on the basis that they might escape or might destroy evidence.

anikamariam 11y ago

what the hell are you talking about? no one cares how you think the laws should be. The laws are the way they are. The police can detain you if they have reasonable suspicion to believe you are involved in a crime in any way this was 100% legal according to the laws. no one cares what your fantasy interpretation is

jdenning 11y ago
Since you're posting with a newly made account, I'll assume that you're new here and direct you to the comment guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html TLDR - Please watch the tone of your comments (EDIT: here and in other comments on this topic). Thanks! """ Be civil. Don't say things you wouldn't say in a face-to-face conversation. Avoid gratuitous negativity. When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. E.g. "That is idiotic; 1 + 1 is 2, not 3" can be shortened to "1 + 1 is 2, not 3." """
wwweston 11y ago
> no one cares how you think the laws should be. The laws are the way they are. The laws are the way they're written, and the way they're read, and open to discussion and revision on both sides. If you're upset or threatened by that (and I can't see any other reason for some of the gratuitous hostility in your comment), perhaps your position isn't anywhere near as strong as you might like your bluster to communicate, and perhaps it would be better to find some less distressing activity with which to pass time than discuss it on the internet. > the police can detain you if they have reasonable suspicion to believe you are involved in a crime in any way This isn't the point of contention at all. That's whether it's reasonable and legal to deny detainees access to a toilet on the basis that they might escape or might destroy evidence.