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"Smartphone" has the same meaning as in Section 22761. http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=bpc&group=22001-23000&file=22760-22761 http://www.

"Smartphone" has the same meaning as in Section 22761. http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=bpc&group=22001-23000&file=22760-22761 http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=bpc&gr... 22761. (a) For purposes of this section, the following terms have the following meanings: (1) (A) "Smartphone" means a cellular radio telephone or other mobile voice communications handset device that includes all of the following features: (i) Utilizes a mobile operating system. (ii) Possesses the capability to utilize mobile software applications, access and browse the Internet, utilize text messaging, utilize digital voice service, and send and receive email. (iii) Has wireless network connectivity. (iv) Is capable of operating on a long-term evolution network or successor wireless data network communication standards. (B) A "smartphone" does not include a radio cellular telephone commonly referred to as a "feature" or "messaging" telephone, a laptop, a tablet device, or a device that only has electronic reading capability. It seems like a tablet with a cellular radio could arguably fit that definition as well.

cmurf 11y ago
(iv) mean LTE or newer. That suggests NOT tablets, including iPod Touch like devices, because it must have all of the listed features. It also, weirdly, suggests not anything 3.5G or lower. What? Why? And in any case, Apple's end-to-end encrypted iMessage does not depend at all on such a cell network of any version. It does work on WiFi only just fine. So why are these devices exempt from terrorists and kiddie porn sickos and human traffickers? If you're going to be serious about catching that, it seems like everything that does full disk encryption would be broadly included. Desktop and laptop computers, and tablets. Why does Layer 1 matter to this?
- tlrobinson 11y ago
  iPad does has LTE.
  - marshray 11y ago
    Not mine. I specifically got the model without cellular.
    - tlrobinson 11y ago
      Sure, I was talking about iPads with cellular.
  - cmurf 11y ago
    Some do, some don't. http://www.apple.com/ipad/compare/ http://www.apple.com/ipad/compare/ There are WiFi only models. So... why are the WiFi models not included?
- simoncion 11y ago
  > It also, weirdly, suggests not anything 3.5G or lower. What? Why? Maybe, but I think maybe not... My 3G Nexus S "[i]s capable of operating on a long-term evolution network or successor wireless data network communication standards". This is because 3G LTE networks seem to also communicate with 3G, 2G, and 1G radios just fine.
simoncion 11y ago
> It seems like a tablet with a cellular radio could arguably fit that definition as well. Strongly disagree, because: > (1) (A) "Smartphone" means a cellular radio telephone or other mobile voice communications handset device... and additionally: > B) A "smartphone" does not include a radio cellular telephone commonly referred to as a "feature" or "messaging" telephone, a laptop, a tablet device, ... Not only are tablets specifically excluded in the definition, "mobile voice communications handset device" would likely exclude them from the definition all by itself.

cmurf 11y ago

(iv) mean LTE or newer. That suggests NOT tablets, including iPod Touch like devices, because it must have all of the listed features. It also, weirdly, suggests not anything 3.5G or lower. What? Why? And in any case, Apple's end-to-end encrypted iMessage does not depend at all on such a cell network of any version. It does work on WiFi only just fine. So why are these devices exempt from terrorists and kiddie porn sickos and human traffickers? If you're going to be serious about catching that, it seems like everything that does full disk encryption would be broadly included. Desktop and laptop computers, and tablets. Why does Layer 1 matter to this?

tlrobinson 11y ago
iPad does has LTE.
- marshray 11y ago
  Not mine. I specifically got the model without cellular.
  - tlrobinson 11y ago
    Sure, I was talking about iPads with cellular.
- cmurf 11y ago
  Some do, some don't. http://www.apple.com/ipad/compare/ http://www.apple.com/ipad/compare/ There are WiFi only models. So... why are the WiFi models not included?
simoncion 11y ago
> It also, weirdly, suggests not anything 3.5G or lower. What? Why? Maybe, but I think maybe not... My 3G Nexus S "[i]s capable of operating on a long-term evolution network or successor wireless data network communication standards". This is because 3G LTE networks seem to also communicate with 3G, 2G, and 1G radios just fine.

simoncion 11y ago

> It seems like a tablet with a cellular radio could arguably fit that definition as well. Strongly disagree, because: > (1) (A) "Smartphone" means a cellular radio telephone or other mobile voice communications handset device... and additionally: > B) A "smartphone" does not include a radio cellular telephone commonly referred to as a "feature" or "messaging" telephone, a laptop, a tablet device, ... Not only are tablets specifically excluded in the definition, "mobile voice communications handset device" would likely exclude them from the definition all by itself.