> Looking at the Tiobe list for concreteness [...] At 17 (Groovy) No need to consider whether Groovy follows the trend or not. Tiobe gives a history of all Top

> Looking at the Tiobe list for concreteness [...] At 17 (Groovy) No need to consider whether Groovy follows the trend or not. Tiobe gives a history of all Top 20 languages as a graph, just click on the language name in the top 20 chart. Groovy's ( http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/paperinfo/tpci/Groovy.html http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/paperinfo/tpci/Groovy.html ) shows the most volatile movement in the rankings (e.g. it just rose from #82 to #17 in a mere 12 months), and Tiobe's comment "Scala might gain a permanent top 20 position soon" is probably a back-handed dig at the likely impermanence of Groovy's top 20 position. That language is being actively fiddled through the popularity rankings.