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I would guess that the find my phone apps have greater than 99% accuracy. Just not 100%. I'm disturbed by how anti-police HN is. Like even searching for a miss

I would guess that the find my phone apps have greater than 99% accuracy. Just not 100%. I'm disturbed by how anti-police HN is. Like even searching for a missing person is now some great abuse of power.

mschuster91 11y ago
> I'm disturbed by how anti-police HN is. Like even searching for a missing person is now some great abuse of power. Because police, be it in the US or anywhere else, has time and again proven that they are not to be trusted and any power the legislation grants them can and will be exploited or illegaly expanded. Add to this that police (and most legislators, as well as most judges) don't have a fucking clue how computers work on a technical level, or at least not enough to be viewed as "reasonable".
- Houshalter 11y ago
  That's fine, and has absolutely nothing to do with this case. The police were just doing their job searching for a missing girl and had strong evidence that her phone was in the house. And people here are outraged. It's absurd. The point of the fourth amendment is to stop excessive or abusive searches, not all searches ever. Second I think some of the police hate is just availability bias. If you read nothing but articles on the Internet about police somewhere doing something bad, of course you will think they are all terrible. Like people that watch the news and think air travel is more dangerous than driving.
  - mschuster91 11y ago
    > The point of the fourth amendment is to stop excessive or abusive searches, not all searches ever. "Stop and frisk" and "asset forfeiture" means anything to you? And it's not just the US where police commonly fabricates evidence, in particular when it comes to drug or gun "offenses".
    - Houshalter 11y ago
      >"Stop and frisk" and "asset forfeiture" means anything to you? And I agree that those are unconstitutional. But again it has nothing to do with this case.
  - kelnos 11y ago
    Second I think some of the police hate is just availability bias. If you read nothing but articles on the Internet about police somewhere doing something bad, of course you will think they are all terrible. No, we think they're all terrible when we hear about one officer doing something bad, and an entire precinct closing ranks around him/her to cover it up. (Which accompanies the vast majority of instances of police misconduct.)
- briandear 11y ago
  And if we were to be anti-black, using the actions of the Baltimore rioters, Ferguson, and the Austin neighborhood of south Chicago to suggest that 'time and time again, blacks have XYZ..' What you're doing is the exact same kind of justification. As far as cops not "having a fucking clue" I'm willing to bet you have an equal deficiency of clue about solving and preventing crimes or any number of technical systems used in law enforcement, or the legal and documentation requirements in law enforcement. You're just the 'too cool' anti-cop 'hacker' fighting for a 'cause' that really doesn't exist to fit some idealized boogeyman-version of law enforcement reality. When cops screw up, let's hold them accountable, but let's not automatically assume that cops are evil. You don't support racial stereotyping do you? This is no different. I have been robbed twice in my life at gunpoint by black people (I drove a taxi for a time during college.) Yet, I don't look at all black people with suspicion. Yet we are willing to apply a hatred and disdain towards cops based on perception of their 'badness.' As far as legislators and cops, how about you educate them? Or become one? Since you're an expert, put your name on the ballot and run for office. Or go work as a legislative aid. Start a website called a Legislator's guide to tech or something. Go testify at Congressiinal hearings. Police and legislators represent us, we the people and they are us, we the people. You sitting in your basement drinking fair trade coffee isn't helping. You actually doing something -- that's how you create positive change. Hating the police is the wrong fight.
apricot 11y ago
People tend to be pro-police right up until the day when they find themselves the target of a police officer who knows what they can get away with.
- Houshalter 11y ago
  I'm not pro-police, I'm just not so absurdly anti police that I think everything they do is an abuse of power. Yes I know there are police that abuse their power. But they didn't do anything wrong in this case. They were just doing their job searching for a missing girl and had strong evidence that her phone was in the house.

mschuster91 11y ago

> I'm disturbed by how anti-police HN is. Like even searching for a missing person is now some great abuse of power. Because police, be it in the US or anywhere else, has time and again proven that they are not to be trusted and any power the legislation grants them can and will be exploited or illegaly expanded. Add to this that police (and most legislators, as well as most judges) don't have a fucking clue how computers work on a technical level, or at least not enough to be viewed as "reasonable".

Houshalter 11y ago
That's fine, and has absolutely nothing to do with this case. The police were just doing their job searching for a missing girl and had strong evidence that her phone was in the house. And people here are outraged. It's absurd. The point of the fourth amendment is to stop excessive or abusive searches, not all searches ever. Second I think some of the police hate is just availability bias. If you read nothing but articles on the Internet about police somewhere doing something bad, of course you will think they are all terrible. Like people that watch the news and think air travel is more dangerous than driving.
- mschuster91 11y ago
  > The point of the fourth amendment is to stop excessive or abusive searches, not all searches ever. "Stop and frisk" and "asset forfeiture" means anything to you? And it's not just the US where police commonly fabricates evidence, in particular when it comes to drug or gun "offenses".
  - Houshalter 11y ago
    >"Stop and frisk" and "asset forfeiture" means anything to you? And I agree that those are unconstitutional. But again it has nothing to do with this case.
- kelnos 11y ago
  Second I think some of the police hate is just availability bias. If you read nothing but articles on the Internet about police somewhere doing something bad, of course you will think they are all terrible. No, we think they're all terrible when we hear about one officer doing something bad, and an entire precinct closing ranks around him/her to cover it up. (Which accompanies the vast majority of instances of police misconduct.)
briandear 11y ago
And if we were to be anti-black, using the actions of the Baltimore rioters, Ferguson, and the Austin neighborhood of south Chicago to suggest that 'time and time again, blacks have XYZ..' What you're doing is the exact same kind of justification. As far as cops not "having a fucking clue" I'm willing to bet you have an equal deficiency of clue about solving and preventing crimes or any number of technical systems used in law enforcement, or the legal and documentation requirements in law enforcement. You're just the 'too cool' anti-cop 'hacker' fighting for a 'cause' that really doesn't exist to fit some idealized boogeyman-version of law enforcement reality. When cops screw up, let's hold them accountable, but let's not automatically assume that cops are evil. You don't support racial stereotyping do you? This is no different. I have been robbed twice in my life at gunpoint by black people (I drove a taxi for a time during college.) Yet, I don't look at all black people with suspicion. Yet we are willing to apply a hatred and disdain towards cops based on perception of their 'badness.' As far as legislators and cops, how about you educate them? Or become one? Since you're an expert, put your name on the ballot and run for office. Or go work as a legislative aid. Start a website called a Legislator's guide to tech or something. Go testify at Congressiinal hearings. Police and legislators represent us, we the people and they are us, we the people. You sitting in your basement drinking fair trade coffee isn't helping. You actually doing something -- that's how you create positive change. Hating the police is the wrong fight.

apricot 11y ago

People tend to be pro-police right up until the day when they find themselves the target of a police officer who knows what they can get away with.

Houshalter 11y ago
I'm not pro-police, I'm just not so absurdly anti police that I think everything they do is an abuse of power. Yes I know there are police that abuse their power. But they didn't do anything wrong in this case. They were just doing their job searching for a missing girl and had strong evidence that her phone was in the house.