Our users expect much more involved and interactive websites. (i.e facebook notifications). So you have to accept that we need some ajax and a js framework to u

Our users expect much more involved and interactive websites. (i.e facebook notifications). So you have to accept that we need some ajax and a js framework to update the DOM. And as long we've cracked open that barrel of monkeys, we might as well batch DOM updates and make other improvements around client-state and how it communicates to server-state. I think the nodejs "problem" of "download this library and 400 other modules" comes about because it's so _easy_ to write a library nowadays! Which can be a good thing, although it's correct that it leads to a lot of noise and low-quality libraries out there. And if I continue this post any more, I'm at risk of straw-manning his argument as being nostalgia for mothertongues.