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Much of this makes sense, but the main thing that keeps me from using Java is the dark cloud hanging over it, called Oracle.

Freak_NL 11y ago
Could you elaborate on that? With OpenJDK at least the software side of things is pretty much stable and open (in a FOSS sense), so I take you are referring to possible legal ramifications of Oracle's actions?
- throwaway437812 11y ago
  I never really managed to figure out the OpenJDK story apart from that it is what gets included in Linux distros and it sort of works. Read not too great stories about its performance in the past, am not exactly sure about its compatibility (it seems to lag behind a bit), Windows support is a whole complicated story of its own... Call me ignorant, but at first glance it doesn't look attractive. On top of all that, indeed Oracle being involved with development at all, together with their reputation of being a legal hothead. Not mentioned in my initial post, but I also like to keep my code portable between server and client. Firstly, there's no way I'm going to require clients to have Java installed. Secondly, a truly native GUI is practically impossible, so I would already corner myself into needing a second language anyway.
  - mike_hearn 11y ago
    OpenJDK performance has been closing the gap with the Oracle JRE over time. One big gap was different graphics renderers but this is being fixed in Java 9 (possibly earlier). Java 8+ has a "javapackager" tool that makes native installers/packages for each platform which contain a bundled JRE. So your users no longer need one installed themselves. And finally SWT lets you use native widgets if you want them.
  - keypusher 11y ago
    We have shipped high-traffic production web applications using OpenJDK for years.
- rodgerd 11y ago
  Legal actions, arsing around with compliance and test suites, generally "being Oracle".
  - s73v3r 11y ago
    Are you actually writing an implementation of Java? No? Then it shouldn't affect you.

Freak_NL 11y ago

Could you elaborate on that? With OpenJDK at least the software side of things is pretty much stable and open (in a FOSS sense), so I take you are referring to possible legal ramifications of Oracle's actions?

throwaway437812 11y ago
I never really managed to figure out the OpenJDK story apart from that it is what gets included in Linux distros and it sort of works. Read not too great stories about its performance in the past, am not exactly sure about its compatibility (it seems to lag behind a bit), Windows support is a whole complicated story of its own... Call me ignorant, but at first glance it doesn't look attractive. On top of all that, indeed Oracle being involved with development at all, together with their reputation of being a legal hothead. Not mentioned in my initial post, but I also like to keep my code portable between server and client. Firstly, there's no way I'm going to require clients to have Java installed. Secondly, a truly native GUI is practically impossible, so I would already corner myself into needing a second language anyway.
- mike_hearn 11y ago
  OpenJDK performance has been closing the gap with the Oracle JRE over time. One big gap was different graphics renderers but this is being fixed in Java 9 (possibly earlier). Java 8+ has a "javapackager" tool that makes native installers/packages for each platform which contain a bundled JRE. So your users no longer need one installed themselves. And finally SWT lets you use native widgets if you want them.
- keypusher 11y ago
  We have shipped high-traffic production web applications using OpenJDK for years.
rodgerd 11y ago
Legal actions, arsing around with compliance and test suites, generally "being Oracle".
- s73v3r 11y ago
  Are you actually writing an implementation of Java? No? Then it shouldn't affect you.