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Plants have to die too in order for you to eat them generally.

by 91bananas 11y ago

noondip 11y ago
Especially when the animals are fed them in amounts many times greater than could be fed to humans directly.
- pasquinelli 11y ago
  animals have to die for agriculture too.
- pluma 11y ago
  Also, modern agriculture kills lots of little critters (including lots of fluffy rodents). Just ask anyone who's ever worked on a farm. The only 100% moral solution obviously is not to eat.
  - noondip 11y ago
    Lots? I'm sure it's nothing compared to the premeditated killing of 150 billion animals born and bred into captivity on purpose, every year. Seeing as how not eating is infeasible, I'm not sure your solution is reasonable.
shlant 11y ago
well it's a good thing plants aren't sentient then.
- TTPrograms 11y ago
  Are you sure?
- oh_sigh 11y ago
  Yes they are
  - noondip 11y ago
    No, they're not. Unlike animals, plants lack a central nervous system, which would allow them to feel pain and ultimately suffer. Yes, plants respond to stimuli, in the same way a ball being rolled off a table does. But you cannot say plants and animals have the same capacity for sentience. Even if that were true, it should be immediately apparent animals require more plants to feed throughout their lifespan than do vegans. I hope you made this comment out of ignorance, not arrogance. Take a look at http://adaptt.org/veganism.html http://adaptt.org/veganism.html - The Insipid "Killing Plants" Argument, if you're honestly sure plants and animals are the same.
    - oh_sigh 11y ago
      > plants lack a central nervous system Is a CNS required for sentience? If so, why do most vegans(that I can find online) agree that it would be wrong to eat a jellyfish, which generally lacks a CNS? > Yes, plants respond to stimuli, in the same way a ball being rolled off a table does Not even close to correct. Plants attempt to establish dominance in their domain from other plants by gathering more resources, can respond to try and protect themselves from certain types of pests/blight/fire, etc.
- pluma 11y ago
  Are you?

Plants have to die too in order for you to eat them generally.

noondip 11y ago

Especially when the animals are fed them in amounts many times greater than could be fed to humans directly.

pasquinelli 11y ago
animals have to die for agriculture too.
pluma 11y ago
Also, modern agriculture kills lots of little critters (including lots of fluffy rodents). Just ask anyone who's ever worked on a farm. The only 100% moral solution obviously is not to eat.
- noondip 11y ago
  Lots? I'm sure it's nothing compared to the premeditated killing of 150 billion animals born and bred into captivity on purpose, every year. Seeing as how not eating is infeasible, I'm not sure your solution is reasonable.

shlant 11y ago

well it's a good thing plants aren't sentient then.

TTPrograms 11y ago
Are you sure?
oh_sigh 11y ago
Yes they are
- noondip 11y ago
  No, they're not. Unlike animals, plants lack a central nervous system, which would allow them to feel pain and ultimately suffer. Yes, plants respond to stimuli, in the same way a ball being rolled off a table does. But you cannot say plants and animals have the same capacity for sentience. Even if that were true, it should be immediately apparent animals require more plants to feed throughout their lifespan than do vegans. I hope you made this comment out of ignorance, not arrogance. Take a look at http://adaptt.org/veganism.html http://adaptt.org/veganism.html - The Insipid "Killing Plants" Argument, if you're honestly sure plants and animals are the same.
  - oh_sigh 11y ago
    > plants lack a central nervous system Is a CNS required for sentience? If so, why do most vegans(that I can find online) agree that it would be wrong to eat a jellyfish, which generally lacks a CNS? > Yes, plants respond to stimuli, in the same way a ball being rolled off a table does Not even close to correct. Plants attempt to establish dominance in their domain from other plants by gathering more resources, can respond to try and protect themselves from certain types of pests/blight/fire, etc.
pluma 11y ago
Are you?