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Do you spend more on food than you did as a non-vegan? What made you take up veganism? I've been considering it for a while, I had a realization while eating

by skyyler 11y ago

Do you spend more on food than you did as a non-vegan? What made you take up veganism? I've been considering it for a while, I had a realization while eating a slice of salami a few weeks ago and I realized something had to die for me to eat it and it made me feel bad.

91bananas 11y ago
Plants have to die too in order for you to eat them generally.
- noondip 11y ago
  Especially when the animals are fed them in amounts many times greater than could be fed to humans directly.
  - pasquinelli 11y ago
    animals have to die for agriculture too.
  - pluma 11y ago
    Also, modern agriculture kills lots of little critters (including lots of fluffy rodents). Just ask anyone who's ever worked on a farm. The only 100% moral solution obviously is not to eat.
    - noondip 11y ago
      Lots? I'm sure it's nothing compared to the premeditated killing of 150 billion animals born and bred into captivity on purpose, every year. Seeing as how not eating is infeasible, I'm not sure your solution is reasonable.
- shlant 11y ago
  well it's a good thing plants aren't sentient then.
  - TTPrograms 11y ago
    Are you sure?
  - oh_sigh 11y ago
    Yes they are
    - noondip 11y ago
      No, they're not. Unlike animals, plants lack a central nervous system, which would allow them to feel pain and ultimately suffer. Yes, plants respond to stimuli, in the same way a ball being rolled off a table does. But you cannot say plants and animals have the same capacity for sentience. Even if that were true, it should be immediately apparent animals require more plants to feed throughout their lifespan than do vegans. I hope you made this comment out of ignorance, not arrogance. Take a look at http://adaptt.org/veganism.html http://adaptt.org/veganism.html - The Insipid "Killing Plants" Argument, if you're honestly sure plants and animals are the same.
      - oh_sigh 11y ago
        > plants lack a central nervous system Is a CNS required for sentience? If so, why do most vegans(that I can find online) agree that it would be wrong to eat a jellyfish, which generally lacks a CNS? > Yes, plants respond to stimuli, in the same way a ball being rolled off a table does Not even close to correct. Plants attempt to establish dominance in their domain from other plants by gathering more resources, can respond to try and protect themselves from certain types of pests/blight/fire, etc.
  - pluma 11y ago
    Are you?
noondip 11y ago
> Do you spend more on food than you did as a non-vegan? I did when I'd first started out with plant-based eating, because I didn't know which foods to purchase and a lot went to waste. I had also sought out meat, cheese and dairy alternatives like Beyond Meat and Tofurky which aren't competitively priced (yet). Now that I've been vegan for over a year - and eating almost exclusively whole foods - the grocery bill for my household is drastically lower. I buy a lot of food in bulk. A 25 lb. bag of brown rice provides tens of thousands of calories to last months and costs a mere ~$60, for example. Canned legumes, frozen fruits and veggies and seasonal produce from my garden, CSA or farmers' markets are all very affordable. > What made you take up veganism? Two YouTube videos - 101 Reasons to Go Vegan - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4HJcq8qHAY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4HJcq8qHAY Best Speech You Will Ever Hear by Gary Yourofsky - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=es6U00LMmC4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=es6U00LMmC4 Later, I learned animal agriculture is responsible for the most greenhouse gas emissions and avoiding animal products can protect against most "diseases of affluence", which reaffirmed my decision.

by skyyler 11y ago

91bananas 11y ago

Plants have to die too in order for you to eat them generally.

noondip 11y ago
Especially when the animals are fed them in amounts many times greater than could be fed to humans directly.
- pasquinelli 11y ago
  animals have to die for agriculture too.
- pluma 11y ago
  Also, modern agriculture kills lots of little critters (including lots of fluffy rodents). Just ask anyone who's ever worked on a farm. The only 100% moral solution obviously is not to eat.
  - noondip 11y ago
    Lots? I'm sure it's nothing compared to the premeditated killing of 150 billion animals born and bred into captivity on purpose, every year. Seeing as how not eating is infeasible, I'm not sure your solution is reasonable.
shlant 11y ago
well it's a good thing plants aren't sentient then.
- TTPrograms 11y ago
  Are you sure?
- oh_sigh 11y ago
  Yes they are
  - noondip 11y ago
    No, they're not. Unlike animals, plants lack a central nervous system, which would allow them to feel pain and ultimately suffer. Yes, plants respond to stimuli, in the same way a ball being rolled off a table does. But you cannot say plants and animals have the same capacity for sentience. Even if that were true, it should be immediately apparent animals require more plants to feed throughout their lifespan than do vegans. I hope you made this comment out of ignorance, not arrogance. Take a look at http://adaptt.org/veganism.html http://adaptt.org/veganism.html - The Insipid "Killing Plants" Argument, if you're honestly sure plants and animals are the same.
    - oh_sigh 11y ago
      > plants lack a central nervous system Is a CNS required for sentience? If so, why do most vegans(that I can find online) agree that it would be wrong to eat a jellyfish, which generally lacks a CNS? > Yes, plants respond to stimuli, in the same way a ball being rolled off a table does Not even close to correct. Plants attempt to establish dominance in their domain from other plants by gathering more resources, can respond to try and protect themselves from certain types of pests/blight/fire, etc.
- pluma 11y ago
  Are you?

noondip 11y ago

> Do you spend more on food than you did as a non-vegan? I did when I'd first started out with plant-based eating, because I didn't know which foods to purchase and a lot went to waste. I had also sought out meat, cheese and dairy alternatives like Beyond Meat and Tofurky which aren't competitively priced (yet). Now that I've been vegan for over a year - and eating almost exclusively whole foods - the grocery bill for my household is drastically lower. I buy a lot of food in bulk. A 25 lb. bag of brown rice provides tens of thousands of calories to last months and costs a mere ~$60, for example. Canned legumes, frozen fruits and veggies and seasonal produce from my garden, CSA or farmers' markets are all very affordable. > What made you take up veganism? Two YouTube videos - 101 Reasons to Go Vegan - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4HJcq8qHAY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4HJcq8qHAY Best Speech You Will Ever Hear by Gary Yourofsky - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=es6U00LMmC4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=es6U00LMmC4 Later, I learned animal agriculture is responsible for the most greenhouse gas emissions and avoiding animal products can protect against most "diseases of affluence", which reaffirmed my decision.