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> May be a new constitutional right... The Constitution enumerates only specific rights to the federal government. All other rights are retained by the states

> May be a new constitutional right... The Constitution enumerates only specific rights to the federal government. All other rights are retained by the states and by the people (10th Amendment). Not to mention that the 4th Amendment most specifically addresses the issue of unlawful search, and which the courts -- as an apparatus of the state -- have mutilated beyond recognition to the benefit of the state. Most citizens are completely unaware of the multitude of rights possessed by the people and assume that the government has to tell them what rights they have. That way is serfdom. Then again, with one semester of government class in 12 years of compulsory state-controlled education -- and that taught by a coach half the time -- it's no wonder that we allow the state and its officers to walk all over us.

GalacticDomin8r 11y ago
> Most citizens are completely unaware of the multitude of rights possessed by the people and assume that the government has to tell them what rights they have. That way is serfdom. I know this is frowned upon, but +1 anyways. > Then again, with one semester of government class in 12 years of compulsory state-controlled education -- and that taught by a coach half the time -- it's no wonder that we allow the state and its officers to walk all over us. Yeah well my government teacher threw a book at me, literally. Question authority at your own peril. My main problem with your statement is that if a student is "susceptible" to state-controlled education, they are also susceptible to really any ideology. It is the people who think differently who are most likely to be persecuted, and also need protection from it the most.
GalacticDomin8r 11y ago
> Most citizens are completely unaware of the multitude of rights possessed by the people and assume that the government has to tell them what rights they have. That way is serfdom. I know this is frowned upon, but +1 anyways. > Then again, with one semester of government class in 12 years of compulsory state-controlled education -- and that taught by a coach half the time -- it's no wonder that we allow the state and its officers to walk all over us. Yeah well my government teacher threw a book at me, literally. Question authority at your own peril. My main problem with your statement is that if a student is "susceptible" to state-controlled education, they are also susceptible to really any ideology. It is the people who think differently who are most likely to be persecuted, and also need protection from it the most.
winter_blue 11y ago
We need constitutional limitations on state power. The U.S. constitution[1] must be amended to enumerate and accord the states a limited specific set of rights, and all other rights must be reserved for the people. [1] Alternatively, individual state constitutions could be amended to have an enumerate powers clause added to them -- but I doubt those deep red Republican "conservative" and "small government" states would want to limit the power of the state to abuse marginalized groups. Conservative hypocrisy is unnerving.
- bobmno 11y ago
  Lol, and progs are any better?
  - winter_blue 11y ago
    Progressives are indeed better in this case. Even though they are not big supporters of limited small government (which I favor), at least they are not actively trying to suppress black people and other non-white minorities -- instead they're fighting for their rights. To me, justice is more important than small government.
duncan_bayne 11y ago
Of course civics aren't taught in a meaningful way. Expecting state schools to teach anything that might challenge the power of the state is profoundly unrealistic.

GalacticDomin8r 11y ago

> Most citizens are completely unaware of the multitude of rights possessed by the people and assume that the government has to tell them what rights they have. That way is serfdom. I know this is frowned upon, but +1 anyways. > Then again, with one semester of government class in 12 years of compulsory state-controlled education -- and that taught by a coach half the time -- it's no wonder that we allow the state and its officers to walk all over us. Yeah well my government teacher threw a book at me, literally. Question authority at your own peril. My main problem with your statement is that if a student is "susceptible" to state-controlled education, they are also susceptible to really any ideology. It is the people who think differently who are most likely to be persecuted, and also need protection from it the most.

GalacticDomin8r 11y ago

winter_blue 11y ago

We need constitutional limitations on state power. The U.S. constitution[1] must be amended to enumerate and accord the states a limited specific set of rights, and all other rights must be reserved for the people. [1] Alternatively, individual state constitutions could be amended to have an enumerate powers clause added to them -- but I doubt those deep red Republican "conservative" and "small government" states would want to limit the power of the state to abuse marginalized groups. Conservative hypocrisy is unnerving.

bobmno 11y ago
Lol, and progs are any better?
- winter_blue 11y ago
  Progressives are indeed better in this case. Even though they are not big supporters of limited small government (which I favor), at least they are not actively trying to suppress black people and other non-white minorities -- instead they're fighting for their rights. To me, justice is more important than small government.

duncan_bayne 11y ago

Of course civics aren't taught in a meaningful way. Expecting state schools to teach anything that might challenge the power of the state is profoundly unrealistic.