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Not sure that's the solution as they'd probably then be paralysed to inaction in valid cases too.

by prawn 11y ago

smileysteve 11y ago
That seems in line with innocent until proven guilty. "Probable cause" without any repercussions if it's wrong, probably isn't very probable.
newjersey 11y ago
WASHINGTON, June 27 [2005] - The Supreme Court ruled on Monday that the police did not have a constitutional duty to protect a person from harm, even a woman who had obtained a court-issued protective order against a violent husband making an arrest mandatory for a violation. http://nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-police-do-not-have-a-constitutional-duty-to-protect-someone.html http://nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-police-... But city lawyers are arguing that the police had no legal duty to protect Joseph Lozito, the Long Island dad stabbed seven times trying to subdue madman Maksim Gelman — a courtroom maneuver the subway hero calls “disgraceful.” http://nypost.com/2013/01/27/city-says-cops-had-no-duty-to-protect-subway-hero-who-subdued-killer/ http://nypost.com/2013/01/27/city-says-cops-had-no-duty-to-p... I'd say they're already doing a good job of inaction.
mindslight 11y ago
The case can't be too valid if the police aren't confident the person is guilty. It sounds exactly like more detective work would be advised, to avoid harming innocent people. But yes obviously it would be less efficient to fund the true cost of policing, rather than leaving it the reverse lottery we have now. But not doing so is essentially a violation of due process, as the victims are extrajudicially punished based on mere suspicion.
- tajen 11y ago
  Innocent suspect indemnisation might lead to every pull-over resulting in a charge.
  - mindslight 11y ago
    Time wasted in court and lawyer fees would be added to the list of damages when the victim is finally found innocent. The police and the prosecutor might argue over which one is responsible, but I'm sure after the first few cases of malicious persecution they'll have it figured out.

Not sure that's the solution as they'd probably then be paralysed to inaction in valid cases too.

by prawn 11y ago

Not sure that's the solution as they'd probably then be paralysed to inaction in valid cases too.

That seems in line with innocent until proven guilty. "Probable cause" without any repercussions if it's wrong, probably isn't very probable.

newjersey 11y ago

WASHINGTON, June 27 [2005] - The Supreme Court ruled on Monday that the police did not have a constitutional duty to protect a person from harm, even a woman who had obtained a court-issued protective order against a violent husband making an arrest mandatory for a violation. http://nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-police-do-not-have-a-constitutional-duty-to-protect-someone.html http://nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-police-... But city lawyers are arguing that the police had no legal duty to protect Joseph Lozito, the Long Island dad stabbed seven times trying to subdue madman Maksim Gelman — a courtroom maneuver the subway hero calls “disgraceful.” http://nypost.com/2013/01/27/city-says-cops-had-no-duty-to-protect-subway-hero-who-subdued-killer/ http://nypost.com/2013/01/27/city-says-cops-had-no-duty-to-p... I'd say they're already doing a good job of inaction.

mindslight 11y ago

The case can't be too valid if the police aren't confident the person is guilty. It sounds exactly like more detective work would be advised, to avoid harming innocent people. But yes obviously it would be less efficient to fund the true cost of policing, rather than leaving it the reverse lottery we have now. But not doing so is essentially a violation of due process, as the victims are extrajudicially punished based on mere suspicion.

tajen 11y ago
Innocent suspect indemnisation might lead to every pull-over resulting in a charge.
- mindslight 11y ago
  Time wasted in court and lawyer fees would be added to the list of damages when the victim is finally found innocent. The police and the prosecutor might argue over which one is responsible, but I'm sure after the first few cases of malicious persecution they'll have it figured out.