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> Even nomadic hunter-gatherers engaged in deliberate mass killings 10,000 years ago This may be our earliest evidence of it, but I would bet that even pre-sap

> Even nomadic hunter-gatherers engaged in deliberate mass killings 10,000 years ago This may be our earliest evidence of it, but I would bet that even pre-sapien hominids engaged in deliberate mass killings for tens of thousands of years. 10kYBP is still very recent in the history of our species.

greenyoda 11y ago
"I would bet that even pre-sapien hominids engaged in deliberate mass killings for tens of thousands of years..." I think that's very likely. The article notes that chimpanzees "deliberately stalk and kill members of other groups". So humans may have inherited these nasty traits from our primate ancestors ages ago.
- i_feel_great 11y ago
  The Gombe Chimpanzee War: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gombe_Chimpanzee_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gombe_Chimpanzee_War
  - nefitty 11y ago
    Amazing. Thanks for sharing this. Next time someone appeals to nature, I'll drop this little tidbit to remind them that life out there isn't all roses and butterflies.
    - rorykoehler 11y ago
      Unlike their gentle Bonobo cousins, Chimps are notoriously aggressive. Humans are said to be 50% Chimp and 50% Bonobo in behaviour.
  - i_feel_great 11y ago
    This article has been edited since I first looked at it around 2013. At that time, there were other explicit descriptions of the violence - chimps killing and eating infants from the other group, and beatings and rape of females. This New Scientist article has more details: https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22229682.600-only-known-chimp-war-reveals-how-societies-splinter https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22229682.600-only-kno...
    - gus_massa 11y ago
      The newscientific's article has more information. But I think the documented case of eating chimps children is from another place. And this is the revision that did that remove the rape part: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gombe_Chimpanzee_War&type=revision&diff=649596805&oldid=633464265 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gombe_Chimpanzee_... The comment is: > The war: Second paragraph. Chimps were not raped. No where does this reference occur in Goodall's articles or any other Gombe researcher. The source seems to be the Morris reference. I don't know where they got that.
scottlocklin 11y ago
While the article is interesting, the title of this article is kind of rubbish; there is vast evidence of pre-8000bc mesolithic warfare in Europe and North Africa. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prehistoric_warfare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prehistoric_warfare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cemetery_117 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cemetery_117

greenyoda 11y ago

"I would bet that even pre-sapien hominids engaged in deliberate mass killings for tens of thousands of years..." I think that's very likely. The article notes that chimpanzees "deliberately stalk and kill members of other groups". So humans may have inherited these nasty traits from our primate ancestors ages ago.

i_feel_great 11y ago
The Gombe Chimpanzee War: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gombe_Chimpanzee_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gombe_Chimpanzee_War
- nefitty 11y ago
  Amazing. Thanks for sharing this. Next time someone appeals to nature, I'll drop this little tidbit to remind them that life out there isn't all roses and butterflies.
  - rorykoehler 11y ago
    Unlike their gentle Bonobo cousins, Chimps are notoriously aggressive. Humans are said to be 50% Chimp and 50% Bonobo in behaviour.
- i_feel_great 11y ago
  This article has been edited since I first looked at it around 2013. At that time, there were other explicit descriptions of the violence - chimps killing and eating infants from the other group, and beatings and rape of females. This New Scientist article has more details: https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22229682.600-only-known-chimp-war-reveals-how-societies-splinter https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22229682.600-only-kno...
  - gus_massa 11y ago
    The newscientific's article has more information. But I think the documented case of eating chimps children is from another place. And this is the revision that did that remove the rape part: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gombe_Chimpanzee_War&type=revision&diff=649596805&oldid=633464265 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gombe_Chimpanzee_... The comment is: > The war: Second paragraph. Chimps were not raped. No where does this reference occur in Goodall's articles or any other Gombe researcher. The source seems to be the Morris reference. I don't know where they got that.

scottlocklin 11y ago

While the article is interesting, the title of this article is kind of rubbish; there is vast evidence of pre-8000bc mesolithic warfare in Europe and North Africa. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prehistoric_warfare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prehistoric_warfare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cemetery_117 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cemetery_117