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I know: a server returning html. It will never work. EDIT: I've fallen into the ad internetum trap; I shouldn't be so flippant. Sorry about that. What I am

I know: a server returning html. It will never work. EDIT: I've fallen into the ad internetum trap; I shouldn't be so flippant. Sorry about that. What I am saying is that, for JSON APIs that are needed (for, say, mobile clients) that REST is probably not a great architecture, and it will and should move towards something more like SQL: a single RPC URL with a very rich query and update syntax. Where REST can still deliver a tremendous amount of value is in pure HTML applications, and intercooler helps make that possible within the context of a modern web application.

cdcarter 11y ago
Indeed. Things like GraphQL and even OData should hopefully take over the vague idea of "JSON available at a resource" which is needlessly complicated for most APIs.
- hvidgaard 11y ago
  I have great hope for OData, but I just wish the team would focus more on getting it to work with ASP.NET 5 - it's in RC1 already.... As it stands I've decided to not use it at work, simply because I have no idea of when or if it will be a first class citizen of the system.
- mercer 11y ago
  I never liked the ('orthodox') RESTful approach when building web apps and I didn't understand why so many codebases I've worked with seemed to bend over backwards to be as RESTful as possible with (seemingly) no benefit. I feel like I now have a slightly better understanding of why I felt this way (and some more 'authoritative' support, I guess).
gumballhead 11y ago
Not that i love REST, but for an app that needs to work offline, boring ass REST is a pretty straight forward way to sync the mobile and remote databases.
mercer 11y ago
To be honest, your occasional comment promoting Intercooler.js became rather annoying to me, to the extent that I even thought about doing another 'HN Comments parody' just so I could feature you prominently (among others). But this comment somehow is the first time I have a better perspective on what it is exactly you're pushing, and whether it's my fault for dismissing you earlier or not, I just wanted to let you know that while I don't have a use for your tool right now, I feel like I get it and I even agree with your reasoning. Furthermore, I applaud anyone who build something and seems passionate about it, and I hate falling into the trap of being negative. My apologies thinking that way. (that said, if I were to do a comment parody, you'd be featured. just with a more friendly thought behind it.)
- carsongross 11y ago
  (lol) Yeah, I recognize how quixotic and annoying I can be about the whole thing: I certainly deserve parody. I'm a lone developer up in Sacramento trying to compete for mindshare with Facebook and Google. It's ridiculous and extremely funny. Thanks for being fair-minded about it. :)
paulddraper 11y ago
Like GraphQL?

cdcarter 11y ago

Indeed. Things like GraphQL and even OData should hopefully take over the vague idea of "JSON available at a resource" which is needlessly complicated for most APIs.

hvidgaard 11y ago
I have great hope for OData, but I just wish the team would focus more on getting it to work with ASP.NET 5 - it's in RC1 already.... As it stands I've decided to not use it at work, simply because I have no idea of when or if it will be a first class citizen of the system.
mercer 11y ago
I never liked the ('orthodox') RESTful approach when building web apps and I didn't understand why so many codebases I've worked with seemed to bend over backwards to be as RESTful as possible with (seemingly) no benefit. I feel like I now have a slightly better understanding of why I felt this way (and some more 'authoritative' support, I guess).

gumballhead 11y ago

Not that i love REST, but for an app that needs to work offline, boring ass REST is a pretty straight forward way to sync the mobile and remote databases.

mercer 11y ago

To be honest, your occasional comment promoting Intercooler.js became rather annoying to me, to the extent that I even thought about doing another 'HN Comments parody' just so I could feature you prominently (among others). But this comment somehow is the first time I have a better perspective on what it is exactly you're pushing, and whether it's my fault for dismissing you earlier or not, I just wanted to let you know that while I don't have a use for your tool right now, I feel like I get it and I even agree with your reasoning. Furthermore, I applaud anyone who build something and seems passionate about it, and I hate falling into the trap of being negative. My apologies thinking that way. (that said, if I were to do a comment parody, you'd be featured. just with a more friendly thought behind it.)

carsongross 11y ago
(lol) Yeah, I recognize how quixotic and annoying I can be about the whole thing: I certainly deserve parody. I'm a lone developer up in Sacramento trying to compete for mindshare with Facebook and Google. It's ridiculous and extremely funny. Thanks for being fair-minded about it. :)

paulddraper 11y ago

Like GraphQL?