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Signal does not forbid using the app outside the App Store. They just discourage it.

by rmc 11y ago

akerro 11y ago
>Moxie Marlinspike apparently doesn't like the idea of independent builds of TextSecure and RedPhone so much, that he started with legal threats Hmmm...
- exo762 11y ago
  Where do you see the problem? Moxie wants independent builds to have distinct names, to avoid confusion.
- maxerickson 11y ago
  so much, that he started with legal threats on Twitter. I wonder why they don't link the tweets?
- simoncion 11y ago
  > ...Marlinspike apparently doesn't like the idea of independent builds of TextSecure and RedPhone so much... Except: (Feb 2013) "So that's where we are. I believe that the decision not to distribute prebuilt APKs achieves the following balance: 1) It does not encourage the average user to tick "allow 3rd party APKs" in Android settings. 2) It allows "power" users who can appropriately manage the risks to install TextSecure without Play by building from source. The thesis essentially being, if you aren't able to build TextSecure from source, you probably aren't capable of managing the risks associated with 3rd party sources." [0] and (Jul 2013) "Hey @rickbarton , to my knowledge we have not forbidden anything. People have requested that we distribute official binary APKs outside of the Play Store, which we are currently choosing not to do for several reasons (#127, #281). If we can address those issues we would be happy to distribute binary APKs. However, this does not "forbid" anyone else from doing whatever they please. ..." [1] Other things: * The author neither links to nor provides screenshots of, nor quotes from the Twitter comments that he references. This is a bit of a red flag. * The author asserts that "Moxie is not open to arguments and wants TextSecure to be distributed only via Google Play. He already locked this discussion.", which is plainly not true. If it was true, Issue #127 would be closed, and Moxie would not have made the comment that he did on issue #281. [2] It's also notable that the discussion lock didn't happen until 2015-01-09... a year and a half after the requirements for official distribution outside of Google Play were laid out in the comment attached to issue #281. The fellow running the Eutopia.cz F-Droid repo clearly has an axe to grind, and is either unable to, or in too much of a hurry to understand the actual situation on the ground. When dealing with security software, you really, really want skilled, careful, meticulous people to be in charge of design, implementation, and packaging. This guy doesn't seem to be such a person. [0] https://github.com/WhisperSystems/Signal-Android/issues/127#issuecomment-13335689 https://github.com/WhisperSystems/Signal-Android/issues/127#... [1] https://github.com/WhisperSystems/Signal-Android/issues/282#issuecomment-21763403 https://github.com/WhisperSystems/Signal-Android/issues/282#... [2] https://github.com/WhisperSystems/Signal-Android/issues/281#issuecomment-21762482 https://github.com/WhisperSystems/Signal-Android/issues/281#...

Signal does not forbid using the app outside the App Store. They just discourage it.

by rmc 11y ago

Signal does not forbid using the app outside the App Store. They just discourage it.

>Moxie Marlinspike apparently doesn't like the idea of independent builds of TextSecure and RedPhone so much, that he started with legal threats Hmmm...

exo762 11y ago
Where do you see the problem? Moxie wants independent builds to have distinct names, to avoid confusion.
maxerickson 11y ago
so much, that he started with legal threats on Twitter. I wonder why they don't link the tweets?
simoncion 11y ago
> ...Marlinspike apparently doesn't like the idea of independent builds of TextSecure and RedPhone so much... Except: (Feb 2013) "So that's where we are. I believe that the decision not to distribute prebuilt APKs achieves the following balance: 1) It does not encourage the average user to tick "allow 3rd party APKs" in Android settings. 2) It allows "power" users who can appropriately manage the risks to install TextSecure without Play by building from source. The thesis essentially being, if you aren't able to build TextSecure from source, you probably aren't capable of managing the risks associated with 3rd party sources." [0] and (Jul 2013) "Hey @rickbarton , to my knowledge we have not forbidden anything. People have requested that we distribute official binary APKs outside of the Play Store, which we are currently choosing not to do for several reasons (#127, #281). If we can address those issues we would be happy to distribute binary APKs. However, this does not "forbid" anyone else from doing whatever they please. ..." [1] Other things: * The author neither links to nor provides screenshots of, nor quotes from the Twitter comments that he references. This is a bit of a red flag. * The author asserts that "Moxie is not open to arguments and wants TextSecure to be distributed only via Google Play. He already locked this discussion.", which is plainly not true. If it was true, Issue #127 would be closed, and Moxie would not have made the comment that he did on issue #281. [2] It's also notable that the discussion lock didn't happen until 2015-01-09... a year and a half after the requirements for official distribution outside of Google Play were laid out in the comment attached to issue #281. The fellow running the Eutopia.cz F-Droid repo clearly has an axe to grind, and is either unable to, or in too much of a hurry to understand the actual situation on the ground. When dealing with security software, you really, really want skilled, careful, meticulous people to be in charge of design, implementation, and packaging. This guy doesn't seem to be such a person. [0] https://github.com/WhisperSystems/Signal-Android/issues/127#issuecomment-13335689 https://github.com/WhisperSystems/Signal-Android/issues/127#... [1] https://github.com/WhisperSystems/Signal-Android/issues/282#issuecomment-21763403 https://github.com/WhisperSystems/Signal-Android/issues/282#... [2] https://github.com/WhisperSystems/Signal-Android/issues/281#issuecomment-21762482 https://github.com/WhisperSystems/Signal-Android/issues/281#...