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This is the correct answer. That missing money went to fund black budgets of all sorts, including the extraordinary rendition sites and a variety of other intel

by avn2109 11y ago

This is the correct answer. That missing money went to fund black budgets of all sorts, including the extraordinary rendition sites and a variety of other intelligence/security activities.

banku_brougham 11y ago
You are hoping that tax dollars were appropriately directed toward honest black site work. I suspect a significant portion found a more prosaic destiny, theft.
tptacek 11y ago
Is this true because there is evidence to suggest it or is it true because it's a really compelling narrative? Because: the USG, particularly under the previous administration, being so incompetent that it could "lose" (or: lose track of) a percentage of an enormous allocation of money is also a pretty compelling narrative.
- s_q_b 11y ago
  I would estimate (guess) that half the money ended up in contractors' pockets, and the other half never existed outside the accounting of the USG.
- nl 11y ago
  It may well be true, but there is plenty of evidence as to some of the other places the pallet loads of cash[1] ended up[2][3]. [1] http://www.cnbc.com/id/45031100 http://www.cnbc.com/id/45031100 [2] http://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/feb/08/usa.iraq1 http://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/feb/08/usa.iraq1 [3] http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/12/world/investigation-into-missing-iraqi-cash-ended-in-lebanon-bunker.html?_r=0 http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/12/world/investigation-into-m...
- coldtea 11y ago
  >Is this true because there is evidence to suggest it or is it true because it's a really compelling narrative? It's in all likelihood true because of a long history of exposed similar BS going on, in Latin America, Asia, Africa, the Middle East and Europe in the past 5-8 decades. If you have 20 similar cases, you don't really need particular case-specific evidence for the 21st you encounter. You can take a (not so) wild guess. The same way that people who witnessed the western support for Pinochet or the Contras in the 70/80s would not really be surprised to find out another regime was also supported with similar means where it was strategically favorable. It's not like there are not millions of people who live on the other side, location wise, of those deals, and get to know these stories better than what the official US mainstream media would ever cover them. Someone that just reads the mainstream news and the occasional history book from his comfortable sofa in California or NY or Utah is not really more informed compared to someone who had relatives gone missing by some dictatorship or himself beaten up in their own country and followed such stories as live history over several decades.
crdb 11y ago
The modern way to get untraceable money (according to [1]) is to set up (legitimate) small companies, then wildly overcharge the government for services. Looks like your standard government incompetence and passing cash to well connected friends, and doesn't show up in any sort of government black budgets accounting. The author estimates that one Western intelligence agency has over 2,000 such companies. Fun fact: should one of these companies actually end up profitable in the course of its legitimate activities, it then gets overcharged by the unprofitable ones. [1] http://www.amazon.fr/Missions-methodes-techniques-speciales-services/dp/1482745518/ http://www.amazon.fr/Missions-methodes-techniques-speciales-...
- antimagic 11y ago
  A tactic particularly well-loved by those with small government tendencies for everything except the military. Not only do you get to hide exactly how that money you keep giving to the military is being spent, but you then get to use the same budget as an argument when claiming how inefficient government is...

by avn2109 11y ago

This is the correct answer. That missing money went to fund black budgets of all sorts, including the extraordinary rendition sites and a variety of other intelligence/security activities.

banku_brougham 11y ago

You are hoping that tax dollars were appropriately directed toward honest black site work. I suspect a significant portion found a more prosaic destiny, theft.

tptacek 11y ago

Is this true because there is evidence to suggest it or is it true because it's a really compelling narrative? Because: the USG, particularly under the previous administration, being so incompetent that it could "lose" (or: lose track of) a percentage of an enormous allocation of money is also a pretty compelling narrative.

s_q_b 11y ago
I would estimate (guess) that half the money ended up in contractors' pockets, and the other half never existed outside the accounting of the USG.
nl 11y ago
It may well be true, but there is plenty of evidence as to some of the other places the pallet loads of cash[1] ended up[2][3]. [1] http://www.cnbc.com/id/45031100 http://www.cnbc.com/id/45031100 [2] http://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/feb/08/usa.iraq1 http://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/feb/08/usa.iraq1 [3] http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/12/world/investigation-into-missing-iraqi-cash-ended-in-lebanon-bunker.html?_r=0 http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/12/world/investigation-into-m...
coldtea 11y ago
>Is this true because there is evidence to suggest it or is it true because it's a really compelling narrative? It's in all likelihood true because of a long history of exposed similar BS going on, in Latin America, Asia, Africa, the Middle East and Europe in the past 5-8 decades. If you have 20 similar cases, you don't really need particular case-specific evidence for the 21st you encounter. You can take a (not so) wild guess. The same way that people who witnessed the western support for Pinochet or the Contras in the 70/80s would not really be surprised to find out another regime was also supported with similar means where it was strategically favorable. It's not like there are not millions of people who live on the other side, location wise, of those deals, and get to know these stories better than what the official US mainstream media would ever cover them. Someone that just reads the mainstream news and the occasional history book from his comfortable sofa in California or NY or Utah is not really more informed compared to someone who had relatives gone missing by some dictatorship or himself beaten up in their own country and followed such stories as live history over several decades.

crdb 11y ago

The modern way to get untraceable money (according to [1]) is to set up (legitimate) small companies, then wildly overcharge the government for services. Looks like your standard government incompetence and passing cash to well connected friends, and doesn't show up in any sort of government black budgets accounting. The author estimates that one Western intelligence agency has over 2,000 such companies. Fun fact: should one of these companies actually end up profitable in the course of its legitimate activities, it then gets overcharged by the unprofitable ones. [1] http://www.amazon.fr/Missions-methodes-techniques-speciales-services/dp/1482745518/ http://www.amazon.fr/Missions-methodes-techniques-speciales-...

antimagic 11y ago
A tactic particularly well-loved by those with small government tendencies for everything except the military. Not only do you get to hide exactly how that money you keep giving to the military is being spent, but you then get to use the same budget as an argument when claiming how inefficient government is...