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Everyone who has created their own open source framework which supports a multi-million-dollar business that now supports your hobby of driving million dollar r

by vudu 11y ago

Everyone who has created their own open source framework which supports a multi-million-dollar business that now supports your hobby of driving million dollar race cars, please feel free to cast stones at what rails is and has become.

sanderjd 11y ago
This is a terrible form of argument. Success does not mean you're correct. Many successful people and things deserve criticism. I don't think DHH or Rails is among them, but that isn't because they're successful.
- vudu 11y ago
  It is merely an observation. That is, the strength of a person's opinion is often inversely related to their experience.
- vinceguidry 11y ago
  > Success does not mean you're correct. Err, yes, it does. That's precisely what success means. If you are successful at something, that means you did something right. What that something is is certainly up for debate, but you can't ignore success as an argument.
  - blakeyrat 11y ago
    Right; for example if you're a successful pharma CEO you might be able to afford the one and only copy of a Wu-Tang Clan album. Unless you define "success" as "being rich", no, I'm sorry, it's not true. It's actually quite easy to become rich by being a complete scumbag with no consideration for other people.
    - sanderjd 11y ago
      I think a much better, more relatable, and currently very striking example of this fallacious "rich and famous people must know what they're talking about" line of reasoning is the current U.S. Republican presidential primary front-runner.
  - gnaritas 11y ago
    > Err, yes, it does. Err, no, it doesn't. > If you are successful at something, that means you did something right. No it doesn't. It often only means you had better opportunities and knew people that someone with a better solution didn't know. Success is a social game; not a game of correctness.
  - cbd1984 11y ago
    Donald Trump must be one of the most correct people in the world.

by vudu 11y ago

sanderjd 11y ago

This is a terrible form of argument. Success does not mean you're correct. Many successful people and things deserve criticism. I don't think DHH or Rails is among them, but that isn't because they're successful.

vudu 11y ago
It is merely an observation. That is, the strength of a person's opinion is often inversely related to their experience.
vinceguidry 11y ago
> Success does not mean you're correct. Err, yes, it does. That's precisely what success means. If you are successful at something, that means you did something right. What that something is is certainly up for debate, but you can't ignore success as an argument.
- blakeyrat 11y ago
  Right; for example if you're a successful pharma CEO you might be able to afford the one and only copy of a Wu-Tang Clan album. Unless you define "success" as "being rich", no, I'm sorry, it's not true. It's actually quite easy to become rich by being a complete scumbag with no consideration for other people.
  - sanderjd 11y ago
    I think a much better, more relatable, and currently very striking example of this fallacious "rich and famous people must know what they're talking about" line of reasoning is the current U.S. Republican presidential primary front-runner.
- gnaritas 11y ago
  > Err, yes, it does. Err, no, it doesn't. > If you are successful at something, that means you did something right. No it doesn't. It often only means you had better opportunities and knew people that someone with a better solution didn't know. Success is a social game; not a game of correctness.
- cbd1984 11y ago
  Donald Trump must be one of the most correct people in the world.