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"We do not support the use of this project in applications that violate privacy and security. We are using this to help cognitively impaired users to sense and

"We do not support the use of this project in applications that violate privacy and security. We are using this to help cognitively impaired users to sense and understand the world around them." Oh okay. Surely this will stop any bad actors.

comboy 11y ago
Depends if they put something related to it (probably formulated differently) in the license or not. If they do, then yes, I think it may stop some companies from using it. Unfortunately currently their license page returns 404 http://cmusatyalab.github.io/openface/LICENSE http://cmusatyalab.github.io/openface/LICENSE
- bdamos 11y ago
  Thanks for pointing out the 404, I just corrected the link. There's an interesting discussion on lobste.rs from a few months ago about privacy issues and licensing: https://lobste.rs/s/sajz0s/openface_face_recognition_with_google_s_facenet_deep_neural_network https://lobste.rs/s/sajz0s/openface_face_recognition_with_go....
jcoffland 11y ago
Do you suggest they not release this code? Or would you post the code with out the disclaimer?
- exolymph 11y ago
  I think they're acting in good faith, but I wish they'd acknowledge that disclaimers are not a particularly effective preventative measure. I agree that putting this provision in the license would help, although it would still be subject to interpretation. I guess my main objection is that it's naive to expect to have the best of both worlds -- there are always tradeoffs, and the disclaimer doesn't acknowledge that tools like OpenFace cannot be released without negative consequences along with the good ones. It is what it is.
  - AndrewGaspar 11y ago
    They're not saying that you can't use it for that, they're saying they're not supporting use cases that do that. The disclaimer really just means "please don't file bugs and expect help if your scenario is to monitor a public intersection" for example.
nl 11y ago
I strongly, strongly support the open sourcing and wide distribution of this functionality. Face recognition is widely used by large players now. Some of those players are bad, some are good. It is important that this technology becomes widespread so people understand it better.

comboy 11y ago

Depends if they put something related to it (probably formulated differently) in the license or not. If they do, then yes, I think it may stop some companies from using it. Unfortunately currently their license page returns 404 http://cmusatyalab.github.io/openface/LICENSE http://cmusatyalab.github.io/openface/LICENSE

bdamos 11y ago
Thanks for pointing out the 404, I just corrected the link. There's an interesting discussion on lobste.rs from a few months ago about privacy issues and licensing: https://lobste.rs/s/sajz0s/openface_face_recognition_with_google_s_facenet_deep_neural_network https://lobste.rs/s/sajz0s/openface_face_recognition_with_go....

jcoffland 11y ago

Do you suggest they not release this code? Or would you post the code with out the disclaimer?

exolymph 11y ago
I think they're acting in good faith, but I wish they'd acknowledge that disclaimers are not a particularly effective preventative measure. I agree that putting this provision in the license would help, although it would still be subject to interpretation. I guess my main objection is that it's naive to expect to have the best of both worlds -- there are always tradeoffs, and the disclaimer doesn't acknowledge that tools like OpenFace cannot be released without negative consequences along with the good ones. It is what it is.
- AndrewGaspar 11y ago
  They're not saying that you can't use it for that, they're saying they're not supporting use cases that do that. The disclaimer really just means "please don't file bugs and expect help if your scenario is to monitor a public intersection" for example.

nl 11y ago

I strongly, strongly support the open sourcing and wide distribution of this functionality. Face recognition is widely used by large players now. Some of those players are bad, some are good. It is important that this technology becomes widespread so people understand it better.