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First paragraph in and I'm already not their customer: "We now use smartphones and tablets most of the time, since they are much easier to use." No. Just no.

First paragraph in and I'm already not their customer: "We now use smartphones and tablets most of the time, since they are much easier to use." No. Just no. I don't want to use a touchscreen and closed ecosystem to develop software. That would be a nightmare. The rest of the design seems to be taken straight from 10/GUI.

theandrewbailey 11y ago
"We now use smartphones and tablets most of the time, since they are much easier to use." Isn't this the kind of thinking behind Windows 8?
_lce0 11y ago
I wasn't aware of 10/GUI Thanks for share! http://10gui.com/ http://10gui.com/
- smartbit 11y ago
  It seems that the tiling windows [0] of desktopneo or 10gui would not work on very large monitors like a UDH 40". Eg. the Philips [1] has such a large viewing angle for the lower two corners that they are less usable. Personally I use the middle for active windows and move others to the left & right. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiling_window_manager https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiling_window_manager [1] https://pcmonitors.info/reviews/philips-bdm4065uc/ https://pcmonitors.info/reviews/philips-bdm4065uc/
  - JimmyAustin 11y ago
    As an aside, I own the Phillips linked and it is absolutely fantastic for SWD. My windows dev environment is essentially a poor clone of a tiled window manager as I have zero overlap between my windows due to the insane amount of real estate.
- david-given 11y ago
  I haven't seen that. That's really cool, and current applications should drop right into it, too. Disconnecting the touch surface from the mouse solves a lot of the current problems with touch screens. Does the kind of large multitouch surface with flyover support needed by 10/GUI actually exist? Because I think I want one.
ziburski 11y ago
I agree! Desktop Neo isn't about using touchscreen or tablets to replace the desktop. The opposite, actually. It tries to move the desktop even further away from phones by rethinking it for professional users. And yep, the first part about using panels was very much inspired by 10/GUI. I am linking to that concept on the website, and also talked to Clayton Miller before publishing Desktop Neo.
- foofoo55 11y ago
  I can see that most comments here didn't read your entire article. I work at my two-monitor desktop 90% of the time. I really like your ideas. Most of the time I only need to see two application windows at a time. Maybe the your article needs to immediately clarify who you are and the intent of the design, and maybe differentiate between your design intended for producers vs. consumers.
progman 11y ago
> "We now use smartphones and tablets most of the time, since they are much easier to use." Interesting. I have the opposite impression. I think _customization_ is the key for real productivity. The more customizable the system the more productive I can be with it. Phones and Tablets are easier to use as long as we deal not with more than two apps at a time. The Neo GUI is an interesting idea but what productivity for? As for me, I prefer a window pager where I can address any window instantly with just one mouse click. Swapping between several pages all the time would confuse me. > "Windows are now inefficient and incompatible with modern productivity interfaces. ... "Window Management is Outdated"." No, surely not. I would always prefer a PC with a customizable GUI (KDE and OpenBox for instance). I barely use my phone and pad because they are only useful for basic things.
Etheryte 11y ago
>Not their customer They're not selling (or offering, for that matter) you anything. This is a design concept not a product.
- rocky1138 11y ago
  This is a local bit of English slang. Essentially it means "this isn't for me" not that we are actually not going to buy the product or service, literally.

theandrewbailey 11y ago

"We now use smartphones and tablets most of the time, since they are much easier to use." Isn't this the kind of thinking behind Windows 8?

_lce0 11y ago

I wasn't aware of 10/GUI Thanks for share! http://10gui.com/ http://10gui.com/

smartbit 11y ago
It seems that the tiling windows [0] of desktopneo or 10gui would not work on very large monitors like a UDH 40". Eg. the Philips [1] has such a large viewing angle for the lower two corners that they are less usable. Personally I use the middle for active windows and move others to the left & right. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiling_window_manager https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiling_window_manager [1] https://pcmonitors.info/reviews/philips-bdm4065uc/ https://pcmonitors.info/reviews/philips-bdm4065uc/
- JimmyAustin 11y ago
  As an aside, I own the Phillips linked and it is absolutely fantastic for SWD. My windows dev environment is essentially a poor clone of a tiled window manager as I have zero overlap between my windows due to the insane amount of real estate.
david-given 11y ago
I haven't seen that. That's really cool, and current applications should drop right into it, too. Disconnecting the touch surface from the mouse solves a lot of the current problems with touch screens. Does the kind of large multitouch surface with flyover support needed by 10/GUI actually exist? Because I think I want one.

ziburski 11y ago

I agree! Desktop Neo isn't about using touchscreen or tablets to replace the desktop. The opposite, actually. It tries to move the desktop even further away from phones by rethinking it for professional users. And yep, the first part about using panels was very much inspired by 10/GUI. I am linking to that concept on the website, and also talked to Clayton Miller before publishing Desktop Neo.

foofoo55 11y ago
I can see that most comments here didn't read your entire article. I work at my two-monitor desktop 90% of the time. I really like your ideas. Most of the time I only need to see two application windows at a time. Maybe the your article needs to immediately clarify who you are and the intent of the design, and maybe differentiate between your design intended for producers vs. consumers.

progman 11y ago

> "We now use smartphones and tablets most of the time, since they are much easier to use." Interesting. I have the opposite impression. I think _customization_ is the key for real productivity. The more customizable the system the more productive I can be with it. Phones and Tablets are easier to use as long as we deal not with more than two apps at a time. The Neo GUI is an interesting idea but what productivity for? As for me, I prefer a window pager where I can address any window instantly with just one mouse click. Swapping between several pages all the time would confuse me. > "Windows are now inefficient and incompatible with modern productivity interfaces. ... "Window Management is Outdated"." No, surely not. I would always prefer a PC with a customizable GUI (KDE and OpenBox for instance). I barely use my phone and pad because they are only useful for basic things.

Etheryte 11y ago

>Not their customer They're not selling (or offering, for that matter) you anything. This is a design concept not a product.

rocky1138 11y ago
This is a local bit of English slang. Essentially it means "this isn't for me" not that we are actually not going to buy the product or service, literally.