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> Your mother was a victim too. Only in your mind, not in hers.

enraged_camel 11y ago
And also according to the dictionary, which defines the word "victim" as: "One who is harmed by or made to suffer under a circumstance or condition: e.g. victims of war; victims of an epidemic; victims of poverty." Unless you believe she enjoyed the attentions of men, that is. In which case you would be correct.
- mbrutsch 11y ago
  1. I don't believe she "suffered", any more than the folks in this thread have "suffered". Words did not become such harmful weapons until recently. 2. I find it somewhere between amusing and horrifying that you compare war, epidemic and poverty to someone grabbing your ass at work. They are different by at least one order of magnitude.
  - enraged_camel 11y ago
    1. The point is that she must have felt very uncomfortable, despite hiding her discomfort behind a tough attitude. The fact that she was able to cope with the way she was treated doesn't mean she didn't suffer and was not a victim of sexual harassment. 2. They are the examples provided by the dictionary to get the point across. Notice how they are inside the quotation marks.
    - mbrutsch 11y ago
      > she must have This is called "projecting".
      - enraged_camel 11y ago
        Since you are just cherry-picking, I realize now you aren't actually interested in debate. One wonders why you even bothered posting your original comment.
        59nadir 11y ago
        I read an interesting article on a woman who had been raped (intercourse while sleeping, waking up in the middle) and for her (emphasis on that being the case for her) the worst thing was that everyone was telling her "You must be destroyed by this, right?". Basically, what she thought was the worst thing about the whole thing was that everyone accentuated that she was now a worse version of herself since she had been raped. This is sort of what you were doing when you said "She must've". It's probably not in anyone's interest to actually decide what another person can or should feel, so maybe that's a lesson that needs to be learned as well. Let someone express themselves and refrain from saying "He/she/you must...". To add for clarification: I'm not saying this is an argument against or for anything other than placing feelings on someone that they "must/should" have.
        mbrutsch 11y ago
        You say cherry-picking, I say baseless assertion without a shred of evidence. Potato, tomato.

And also according to the dictionary, which defines the word "victim" as: "One who is harmed by or made to suffer under a circumstance or condition: e.g. victims of war; victims of an epidemic; victims of poverty." Unless you believe she enjoyed the attentions of men, that is. In which case you would be correct.

mbrutsch 11y ago
1. I don't believe she "suffered", any more than the folks in this thread have "suffered". Words did not become such harmful weapons until recently. 2. I find it somewhere between amusing and horrifying that you compare war, epidemic and poverty to someone grabbing your ass at work. They are different by at least one order of magnitude.
- enraged_camel 11y ago
  1. The point is that she must have felt very uncomfortable, despite hiding her discomfort behind a tough attitude. The fact that she was able to cope with the way she was treated doesn't mean she didn't suffer and was not a victim of sexual harassment. 2. They are the examples provided by the dictionary to get the point across. Notice how they are inside the quotation marks.
  - mbrutsch 11y ago
    > she must have This is called "projecting".
    - enraged_camel 11y ago
      Since you are just cherry-picking, I realize now you aren't actually interested in debate. One wonders why you even bothered posting your original comment.
      - 59nadir 11y ago
        I read an interesting article on a woman who had been raped (intercourse while sleeping, waking up in the middle) and for her (emphasis on that being the case for her) the worst thing was that everyone was telling her "You must be destroyed by this, right?". Basically, what she thought was the worst thing about the whole thing was that everyone accentuated that she was now a worse version of herself since she had been raped. This is sort of what you were doing when you said "She must've". It's probably not in anyone's interest to actually decide what another person can or should feel, so maybe that's a lesson that needs to be learned as well. Let someone express themselves and refrain from saying "He/she/you must...". To add for clarification: I'm not saying this is an argument against or for anything other than placing feelings on someone that they "must/should" have.
      - mbrutsch 11y ago
        You say cherry-picking, I say baseless assertion without a shred of evidence. Potato, tomato.