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>3 times the price for 1/10th of the quality A slightly increased cost of raw materials would not have that impact, whatever you mean by that. Apple stakehold

>3 times the price for 1/10th of the quality A slightly increased cost of raw materials would not have that impact, whatever you mean by that. Apple stakeholders commenting on this story should disclose that, also. Lots of weird irrationality going on in these comments.

Udo_Schmitz 11y ago
I think it's a good idea to buy from companies who make an effort to change things and are transparent about it.[0] Do you know any other manufacturer providing as much information? [0] https://www.apple.com/supplier-responsibility/pdf/Apple_Progress_Report_2015.pdf https://www.apple.com/supplier-responsibility/pdf/Apple_Prog...
bigbugbag 11y ago
Also iphones are already around the "3 times the price" mark so it would be around the same price or cheaper to have a fair phone and we have one coincidentally named fairphone at a 600$ price tag.
VeejayRampay 11y ago
To clarify what I meant by those outlandish figures that have no real ground in reality (I made them ridiculously big to make that obvious): If phone manufacturers were to insure that the materials have no "human or environmental cost" attached to them, the price would have to increase significantly (unless I'm missing some key aspects of the manufacturing process). I am not sure consumers are ready to play their part and make up for that price increase. See fair-trade/organic food, which have not yet achieved the kind of scale that would drive the costs down. If you know for a fact that changing the process in a more humane/responsible/sustainable way doesn't have to mean dramatically increased end prices, please do share, it'd be good news for me.
- obsurveyor 11y ago
  This is called wanting to have your cake and eat it too. Currently consumers in the Western world are doing it at the cost of child/third world labor. Apple's surely got some margin to cover some of it but why shouldn't prices go up to reflect it? Companies don't have a right to succeed. If the consumer won't play their part then Apple will have to adjust their devices and software to get to a price point consumers will pay. The yearly device model of business is incredibly wasteful and maybe it should go away.
Lawtonfogle 11y ago
Technically I'm an Apple share holder (very small part of highly diversified retirement portfolio which is probably nothing next to the people you are talking about), but hopefully from my other comments on this link you can see I do not approve of exploiting children for personal gain and personally find it hard to comprehend how many are willing to wrap up the exploitation as being for the children's benefit.

Udo_Schmitz 11y ago

I think it's a good idea to buy from companies who make an effort to change things and are transparent about it.[0] Do you know any other manufacturer providing as much information? [0] https://www.apple.com/supplier-responsibility/pdf/Apple_Progress_Report_2015.pdf https://www.apple.com/supplier-responsibility/pdf/Apple_Prog...

bigbugbag 11y ago

Also iphones are already around the "3 times the price" mark so it would be around the same price or cheaper to have a fair phone and we have one coincidentally named fairphone at a 600$ price tag.

VeejayRampay 11y ago

To clarify what I meant by those outlandish figures that have no real ground in reality (I made them ridiculously big to make that obvious): If phone manufacturers were to insure that the materials have no "human or environmental cost" attached to them, the price would have to increase significantly (unless I'm missing some key aspects of the manufacturing process). I am not sure consumers are ready to play their part and make up for that price increase. See fair-trade/organic food, which have not yet achieved the kind of scale that would drive the costs down. If you know for a fact that changing the process in a more humane/responsible/sustainable way doesn't have to mean dramatically increased end prices, please do share, it'd be good news for me.

obsurveyor 11y ago
This is called wanting to have your cake and eat it too. Currently consumers in the Western world are doing it at the cost of child/third world labor. Apple's surely got some margin to cover some of it but why shouldn't prices go up to reflect it? Companies don't have a right to succeed. If the consumer won't play their part then Apple will have to adjust their devices and software to get to a price point consumers will pay. The yearly device model of business is incredibly wasteful and maybe it should go away.

Lawtonfogle 11y ago

Technically I'm an Apple share holder (very small part of highly diversified retirement portfolio which is probably nothing next to the people you are talking about), but hopefully from my other comments on this link you can see I do not approve of exploiting children for personal gain and personally find it hard to comprehend how many are willing to wrap up the exploitation as being for the children's benefit.